Wing Chun Vs Kyokushin Karate

darrianation · 04-08-2004, 11:10 PM

Wing Chun Vs Kyokushin Karate. WC guy puches fast and ferious right up until he is knocked out by a body punch!

I suppose this is fake WC too, huh sherwinc?

http://www.bullshido.com/videos/WVK.asx

Toudiyama[NL] · 04-09-2004, 12:51 AM

oh the almigthy liverhook

Nothingness · 04-09-2004, 02:06 AM

I have had this clip for a while. I thought it was a prank at the beginning. The "WC" guy doesn't have the moves right at all.

cross · 04-09-2004, 05:58 AM

The wing chun guy does pretty much the opposite of what he "should" have been taught in wing chun. i.e. attack the centerline.

Toudiyama[NL] · 04-09-2004, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cross

The wing chun guy does pretty much the opposite of what he "should" have been taught in wing chun. i.e. attack the centerline.

Did we watch the same video? I see the WC attaking the body centerlined ( but without any commitment)

MADDOG · 04-09-2004, 06:53 AM

Hello,

This is an excellent example of the achievable power of utilizing full body dynamics.

I believe the Karateka in this video became the founder of Enshin? {Please pardon my spelling}.

Ed Barton

cross · 04-09-2004, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Did we watch the same video? I see the WC attaking the body centerlined ( but without any commitment)

It looks like he is throwing hook type punches to me, but its kinda hard to tell.

Quote:

I believe the Karateka in this video became the founder of Enshin? {Please pardon my spelling}.

Thats true. Mr. Ninomiya is his name.

darrianation · 04-09-2004, 11:02 AM

In one of my sparring matches against a WC practitioner, the guy attacked me in the very same manner. He was hard to set up an offense on, but I kept side stepping his attacks throwing him off at angle then I would get a kick in. Finally after creating some distance I nailed him with a side kick (more of a side teep) to his ribs as he closed that finished him, he could not continue.

Nothingness · 04-09-2004, 12:19 PM

The Karateka does what he should. Why waste 2 attacks if you can finish the opponent with one? I wonder what WC people would say about this guy. Pardon my harshness, but it seem that he is quite a beginner (from the way he throw punches and does the routines).

darrianation · 04-09-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nothingness

Pardon my harshness, but it seem that he is quite a beginner (from the way he throw punches and does the routines).

Yea, but didn't you see those fancy hand things he was doing at the beginning of the clip? HE he

Nothingness · 04-09-2004, 04:40 PM

I am sad to see how such good arts often degrade into a dancing form. The more popular the system is, the more are the practicioners. However, the chart of skill versus quantity is not linear; it drops sharply. On the other hand, people tend to use a binomial labeling for a style. For an example, "he is a Wing Chun" and not using "he is a Wing Chun of x level." Not to say labeling the skill is easy, anyway. This is a degradation as a result of popularity.

There is also a degradation because of secrecy: The teacher thinks that the art is too "deadly" or whatever to be given to the students. Hence, the skills fade off and untested again.

ddrive · 05-03-2004, 12:07 AM

In my opinion,

The wing Chun guy was utilizing the techniques that he learned to the best of his ability, but the problem wasn't his tactics, but his fitness. The other member who praticed karate was obviously in great shape, and that was the deciding factor in the match.
Technique is one thing, but your body has to be in proper shape to really utilize your tools to the fullest. That's why I incorporate boxing, muay thai, shaolin kicks, and weight lifting with my wing chun to enhance my tools and body mechanics.

sherwinc · 08-04-2004, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nothingness

I am sad to see how such good arts often degrade into a dancing form. The more popular the system is, the more are the practicioners. However, the chart of skill versus quantity is not linear; it drops sharply. On the other hand, people tend to use a binomial labeling for a style. For an example, "he is a Wing Chun" and not using "he is a Wing Chun of x level." Not to say labeling the skill is easy, anyway. This is a degradation as a result of popularity.

There is also a degradation because of secrecy: The teacher thinks that the art is too "deadly" or whatever to be given to the students. Hence, the skills fade off and untested again.

i agree..........

sherwinc · 08-04-2004, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddrive

In my opinion,

The wing Chun guy was utilizing the techniques that he learned to the best of his ability, but the problem wasn't his tactics, but his fitness. The other member who praticed karate was obviously in great shape, and that was the deciding factor in the match.
Technique is one thing, but your body has to be in proper shape to really utilize your tools to the fullest. That's why I incorporate boxing, muay thai, shaolin kicks, and weight lifting with my wing chun to enhance my tools and body mechanics.

i agree too..........

sherwinc · 08-04-2004, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrianation

Wing Chun Vs Kyokushin Karate. WC guy puches fast and ferious right up until he is knocked out by a body punch!

I suppose this is fake WC too, huh sherwinc?

http://www.bullshido.com/videos/WVK.asx

i dont move like that, the main error or problem with these WC guy is that he execute his alphabets in a telegraphic way.......

he doesnt know the principles of:
If you wont move, i will move....
But i you intend to move, i move first.......

Note:
The strike should be felt before it is seen.......

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04-09-2004, 11:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
darrianation Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,061	In one of my sparring matches against a WC practitioner, the guy attacked me in the very same manner. He was hard to set up an offense on, but I kept side stepping his attacks throwing him off at angle then I would get a kick in. Finally after creating some distance I nailed him with a side kick (more of a side teep) to his ribs as he closed that finished him, he could not continue. __________________ A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. -G. Gordon Liddy A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. – George Bernard Shaw NOBAMA!

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ddrive Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lafayette, IN Posts: 245	You need Fitness in Figthing... . In my opinion, The wing Chun guy was utilizing the techniques that he learned to the best of his ability, but the problem wasn't his tactics, but his fitness. The other member who praticed karate was obviously in great shape, and that was the deciding factor in the match. Technique is one thing, but your body has to be in proper shape to really utilize your tools to the fullest. That's why I incorporate boxing, muay thai, shaolin kicks, and weight lifting with my wing chun to enhance my tools and body mechanics.

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04-09-2004, 02:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
Nothingness Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 233	I have had this clip for a while. I thought it was a prank at the beginning. The "WC" guy doesn't have the moves right at all.

04-09-2004, 05:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
cross Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 19	The wing chun guy does pretty much the opposite of what he "should" have been taught in wing chun. i.e. attack the centerline.

04-09-2004, 06:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
MADDOG Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 58	Hello, This is an excellent example of the achievable power of utilizing full body dynamics. I believe the Karateka in this video became the founder of Enshin? {Please pardon my spelling}. Ed Barton

04-09-2004, 12:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nothingness Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 233	The Karateka does what he should. Why waste 2 attacks if you can finish the opponent with one? I wonder what WC people would say about this guy. Pardon my harshness, but it seem that he is quite a beginner (from the way he throw punches and does the routines).

04-09-2004, 04:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nothingness Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 233	I am sad to see how such good arts often degrade into a dancing form. The more popular the system is, the more are the practicioners. However, the chart of skill versus quantity is not linear; it drops sharply. On the other hand, people tend to use a binomial labeling for a style. For an example, "he is a Wing Chun" and not using "he is a Wing Chun of x level." Not to say labeling the skill is easy, anyway. This is a degradation as a result of popularity. There is also a degradation because of secrecy: The teacher thinks that the art is too "deadly" or whatever to be given to the students. Hence, the skills fade off and untested again.

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