EmptyneSs

i was wondering if anyone has taken or takes kyoushin karate.i hear that kyokushin karate is a more aggressive kind of karate. what makes it more aggressive? what are the goals and concepts of kyokushin karate? What kind of technqiques does it emphasize?

Oh yeah, i heard Dolph Lungren , the big russian guy from rocky 4 was a blackblelt in kyokushin, and he would ko opponent after opponent in full contact karate competitions like it was nothing.

Tom Yum

Never taken it, but it has the same standing as muay thai in terms of stand up fighting powress and conditioning.

Kyokushin doesn't have much in terms of clinch work compared to muay thai, but they can fight; they throw thai style kicks to the leg as well, but also use more karate style kicks - side kicks, axe kicks, hook kicks and use them well! They can knee too.

As a matter of fact a Kyokushin team beat a Muay Thai team in a K-1 team challenge event recently.

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Kyokushin is like Muay Thai, but they fight bare-handed and don't allow punches to tha head

Thai Bri

I find it hard to see Thai and Kyukushinkai as particlarly similar beyond the lower range kicking. That absence of hand strikes to the face is pretty poor.

Broadsword2004

Ahhh, karate is karate, you go to different karate schools, you see the same stuff pretty much, just with minor differences. It just depends on who trains the hardest. If you train hard as a karate practitioner and then go and see that another karate style has better footwork, or throws a neat new kick you'd like to know, you incorporate some of that newer karate stuff, but all in all, fighting is still fighting I would think.

My former karate sensei taught us boxing footwork and boxing techniques; sometimes we would just box each other. We also practiced Thai-style kicks somewhat as well. And wrestling techniques.

Oh yeah, the axe kick I believe was invented in the 1970's by Tae Kwon Do because they wanted a new kick.

Toudiyama[NL]

In competition they don't allow for handtechniques to the head, they do teach them though

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darrianation

I have never studied kyokushin but I have seen their tourneys and seem them in K1, and in my opinion is the best and most aggressive form of karate. However not all instructors and dojos are created equally, so make sure you are armed with correct knowledge and the right questions.

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darrianation

Hey Mike good post, I liked the comparisons you ar making.

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wardancer

I did Kyokushin Karate.
It is a 'modern' form Karate compare to the 'old' Shotokan for exemple.
Why is Kyokushin karate so 'agressive?
They have KO competition rules.
It is a contact Karate, strikes are done on full power. No protection/pads.
They do not punch to the face.
I do believe it is a 'good' trade in same as what Kano did to Judo: it is better to take the 'dangerous' part in order to be able to fight 100% everytime than putting the dangerous part and 'run' the risk of serious injuries. Such trade-in can be argued but at the end of the day. The rules is Kyokushin Karate rules does not hold any strikes back and intend to KO at anytime without gloves and protection/pads.
When it comes to brown and BB, weight categories does not apply.
I do not see problem with Kyokushin Karatekas switch to K1 format or Muy Thai because their training format is open minded to such fighting format (compare to restrictive traditional Karate format). They actually encourage following the Kyokushin Karate Mas Oyama philosphy. He was known to do a lot of MMA fights like Maeda.

But that does not mean all Kyokushin Karatekas can or have the potential to do the transition to Thai box! In no way, such style are comparable.

BJJ took the leg locks for lower belts fights due to the same philosophy.
But higher BJJ do use leg locks.

Back to Kyokushin, they used to have no weight categories competition format.
Still do in some area (like Euro/France the last time I checked) where they cannot have enought participants to make weight categories.
For exemple, lower belts might have a weight category due to the number of particpants but when it comes to higher rank weight does not matter as much.
However in the case of a draw, the rule is the 'lightest' fighter win.
They have also 'wood breaking' techniques for semi finale. You must brake a number of wood plates in order to follow up to your next fight.
Due to time restriction and number of participants, in case of of a draw because most top fight will not achieve KO, the lightest fighter will win but in case of same weight the one that broke most plates will win.

Yes Dolph is Kyokushin Karateka. I do beleive is a Swedish. He still performs at Kyokushin Karate events once in while.

Yes, if you join a Kyokushin Karate Club, do expect to spar with eveybody in the club under the 'agressive' rules. But do not get ut off but leran from your sparring partner

Kumite training is the foundation of Kyokushin Karate.

To conclude Kyoukushin Karatekas are the marines of Karate, they do have a 'big chip' on their shoulder but 'belonging' with them is a great experience is you have the will. But they still the Karate principles and rules which you will find in thai box.

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darrianation

Mas Oyama incorporated many different teachings, philosophies, and techniques from many other masters. Even after he began teaching he would always encourage his students that came from other Karate styles or martial arts to share their knowledge and he would even incorporate things that he deemed worthwhile. He didn’t seem to get caught in the rigid old ways of teaching.

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wardancer

What I like the most about Kyokushin Karate was that they do not follow the 'one strike, one kill' theory that so many Tradional karate teach.
Kyokushin teach combo strikes like there is no tomorow.
However, the Ashira Karate (very similar) took it one step further:
a certain amount of take down and grappling is allowed.
like holding the opponent and striking for like 3 seconds max.

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Karate-ka19

I have studied Kyokushin-kai for 4 years. Only thing confusing to me about this whole thread is people saying that Kyokushin-kai doesn't allow strikes to the head. At my school they are allowed. Frankly there isn't a single part of the body that is off limits although we are told to go easy on the knees when it is just practice.

Toudiyama[NL]

Sorry but this isn't really true, Jon Blumming ( Founder of (Kyokushin-)Budokai), experienced that Mas actually didn't like the fact that he was also training Judo and other MA besides Kyokushin karate
The one thing he did like was Sawai's Kempo
He did however use stuff from other styles/arts, the Shuto mawashi uke is from Tai i Kempo, the high kicks from Korean MA and the low kick from MT
Kyokushin is an eclectic MA

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sherwinc

i dont know if i am correct or wrong...... but that AX KICK is also found in Okinawan Shorin-Ryu Karate by Gonzales, father of Philippine Karate i think.....

there you could see they have also an AX-KICK in their kicking world.....

Note:
if Tae Kwon Do came from Karate...... therefore..... it is really Karate who invented that AX KICK........

i am right or wrong??????

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Toudiyama[NL]

You are wrong, Shorin ryu barely kicks above the waistline to begin with but apart from that influence isn't a 1 way sreet
TKD didn't COME from Karate, it has been influenced by it, as has karate by TKD ( high kicks)

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