masterdan

Is Bujinkan and Ninjutsu the same thing?

m.artist

Bujinkan is a system of ninjutsu "grand mastered" by Maasaki Hatsumi.
there are other styles of ninjutsu, but with hatsumi sensei he's very much like william chueng and his view on other styles of wing chun....at least from what i've heard anyway...

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koto_ryu

He's actually more open-minded than the majority of them. When SKH left to start his To-Shin-Do system, Soke was cool with it. He doesn't speak at all about the BS ninja "grandmasters" like CHAK/Haha Lung, Robert Bussey, Frank Dux, or William Durben but he's on good terms with the Genbukan and the like.

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sojobow

Why doesn't his students learn from his examples? If Sensei Hatumi directs his students to not make statements as the above, why does his students not honor his request? Just seems strange.

But the initial question is interesting in that can anyone tell us what is Bujinkan (today)? While you're at it, what's the difference between Bujinkan, Ninpo and Budo Taijutsu? Thanx.

m.artist

Which brings up another question. What exactly is To-shin-do consist of, if it's not entirely bujinkan. And what does that make rick tew?
Genbukan, don't have a whole lot of info on them either...

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koto_ryu

Some of the older shihans (especially the Japanese ones that are Soke's ukes) can be like that as well. It all depends on the person. When my sensei heard about the "BJJ Ninjutsu" guy, he just laughed and said he hoped the guy was having fun with it.

Ninpo Taijutsu and Budo Taijutsu are the same thing. Soke changed it from the first to the second to avoid the whole 80s ninja fad and attracting the wrong kind of people. That's why he rarely even teaches parts of the actual ninjutsu ryuhas until you're at least a sandan, as he originally was teaching everybody but felt he was doing some wrong by passing out some of the more advanced techniques that could induce harm.

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koto_ryu

No idea.

His stuff is Hollywood martial arts, it's supposed to be flashy. He even offers courses in stage fighting and stuntwork.

Search on Google, they have quite a few webpages. Similar to the Bujinkan in many ways.

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sojobow

Thanks for the reply. I had a feeling similar to your response. Too bad we all don't listen and do as we are taught and instructed. I've also read that Sensei Hatsumi will no longer teach outside of Japan and has instructed his Japanese teachers to desist from teaching outside the country.

masterdan

Yea, I'll be learning from Mark Hodel... Don't know if you've ever heard of him. But yea, i'm gonna have my first lesson on Saturday.

jcmack

Sensei has also said that it is time he name a new grandmaster for the Bujinkan, so be expecting this to happen soon.

masterdan

Has anyone heard of Mark Hodel?

silapathai

Rick Tew's background is is dux ryu and Tjakai...most of you(if not all)have an idea what dux ryu is but tjakai is basically a hybrid of muay thai, kyokushinkai, judo, pencak silat. The two tjakai black belts that I know are awesome fighters and I can say with 100% confidence that it is much harder to get a tjakai shodan/nidan than it is a bujinkan shodan/nidan.
You ask how I feel this? I used to spar a bujinkan nidan and yondan on a regular basis in Muay Thai. I've grappled with both of them in bjj too...The tjakai system is more practical for grappling and "kickboxing" in my opinion. To give bujinkan guys some respect I didn't spar/fight them with weapons and we weren't going for lethal assasination "ninja" techniques on eachother.
Now, I know that rick tew posts a bunch of flashy stuff on his site but I bet you he's a fairly decent kickboxer...

masterdan

OK... I took my first lesson. AND IT WAS GREAT! The first thing I did was a roll. My sensei and another veteran of the dojo said that my roll was 1 in a million, cuz it's really rare that a person gets a near-perfect roll on their first try. So I guess that's good. I also learned an arm-lock take down thing.

Hikage

Excellent! Glad you had a good time. Unfortunately, I haven't heard of your instructor. What area are you in? Do you know who he studied under?

Rolls:
Stay with them. Then will save your life, seriously, when you least expect it. Practice them until you feel as if the ground is another relative.

Keep up the enthusiasm. I've seen all too many fall out.

-Hikage

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masterdan

Yea, I'll stay with it... I don't know who he trained under, but he's a 13th Dan, so he's been doing it for a while.