Berserk001

Hey check out this video I really like it.Kempo

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shaolin-warrior

thanks for the vid clip, don't see too many kempo clips. I enjoyed it.

The_Judo_Jibboo

yea i'd never seen kempo myself, i was surprised by a couple of beautiful throws and that aikido like lock he put on one guy. this was some kind of kata though right? does kempo do any training like Kyokushin?
thanks for the clip

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So the real message here is that in a SD situation you should always take off your trousers...
-jubaji

vincechoo

I trained briefly in SK and its pretty much all choreographed. No free sparring as its used as a moving meditation form for the flow

Kenpodog

I don't have first hand knowledge of Shaolin Kempo, but I train in American Kenpo and have previously trained in a Chinese/Tracy's modified Kenpo variation and Freestyle/Sparring is one third (33%) of both systems.
BASICS - 1/3
SELF-DEFENSE - 1/3
FREESTYLE OR SPARRING - 1/3

There are many styles of Kenpo which all share a common lineage,
see this link:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/kenpo/kenpo-faq.html#Tree

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Kenpodog

since you guys like videos,
here's a video of the man himself.
http://ikenpo.com/parker_basics.wmv

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Thai Bri

Look at the "attackers" rather than the defender. They "attack" with biiiiig telegraphd techniques that, in some cases, wouldn't even hit the other guy if he didn't move. They are also singular techniques, left out in the air whilst ourhero performs the defence.

In my opinion these are very choreographed and contain far too much compliance to be of any pratical use whatsoever.

That is not to slag them off. For ll I know they made no pretence otherwise.

But no real fight ever looks like this. If they are training in this way because they think it does, then they are in for a rude awakening once someone attacks them "wrong".

mthand

I like the video. Although people may think that it looks to choreographed. What do you think, its a demonstration, not a real fight. But kenpo is good for self defense, because of the many different techniques incorporated through its history. Personally I have trained many different arts and presently still do. But out of all the arts, Kenpo fits me the best.

Kenpodog

Great to see more support for Kenpo/Kempo on this forum!!

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medic06

I'm wondering why people on this forum (like Thai Bri) expect to see real life brawls as demonstration of a martial art.

Thai Bri

I don't expect to see real life brawls. I expect to see realistic demos. There is a biiig difference and perfectly possible to do.

I'm just aghast that you do NOT expect to see realistic demos, and seem happy watching useless posing and fancy nonsense.

medic06

Yeah, you can add real contact and force but in the end some things have to be ochestrated so in the end it will look just as fake. Or, you can have a exhibition match perhaps, maybe that's what you are thinking of.

mthand

Well in my opinion, certain martial arts can only go so far for being realistic. Some techniques just cant be applied to a partner without them getting hurt.
People say some arts dont work due to the fact that they saw a demo that never looked realistic. Same as people cutting down traditional martial arts tournaments such as karate, tkd, judo, etc.etc.. A martial art can only go as far as they can go in demos or tournaments. They all have their limits in these situations. On the streets a tkd could kick someone in the head and kill him, a judo could throw someone and break his head or back, and a mma fighter without the rules of the ring could also seriously damage someone. All martial arts should be taken seriously and practiced with safety until ones life is seriously threatened.

Thai Bri

Put it this way. Go and watch an exhibition between boxers or MMA fighters.

You will NOT see these flashy responses to unreal so called attacks. They can still apply realistic methods without killing their partner.

Why should I care? If you still believe that these choreographed dances are somehow evidence that an art is street effective, then good luck to you. Just don't leave the house without an Uzi Pistol.

mthand

How can you compare boxing and mma to a martial art demo. Boxing and MMA are real competition sports and not exhibitions. They are truly fighting in a ring. They are not putting on demos or exhibitions. If you take off the gloves on these fighters and omit the rules of the ring then what. I am sure if you take these fighters without equipment and rules and tell them to put on a demo, they would practice self control also. It wouldnt look as impressive as they would be fighting in the ring for real, but they would get the job done in showing how specific techniques are applied. Same as any martial arts school doing a demo. They do demos to show their techniques empty handed with no gloves or rules. So they have to use self control to do these demos. They are simply just demonstrations. As real as they can get without really injuring anyone with respect to training partners. But in real live situations these so called choreographed dances as you call them, does work if they really have to use it.