fanman.

It's been a long time since I've had and rant, and I guess I'm overdue for one. So here goes.

Karate point fighting sucks. That is, if you want real self defence skills or the mindset of a warrior. Yes, we all know it is obvious that point fighting is not meant to be a complete form of self defence training and that there are certain things it leaves out. But the point I am trying to make is that it actually contains elements that work AGAINST you're ability to defend yourself and to develop the right mindset.

In boxing, if you're down for 10 seconds you lose. In Karate point fighting, if you're down for 10 seconds you win, 'cause the other guy hurt you too much!!!!!!!!
It sucks.
The more you react to a hit, the more likely your opponent will be given a warning for excessive contact and a point against him. (Unless it is obvious that you are faking it).
Yes, you do get penalised for faking injury. But the problem is that point fighting teaches you to over react to injury.
I myself used to be involved in WKF karate tournaments. At the first tournament I ever went to, I got punched so hard in the chest that I ended up with a fractured sternum. This was about half way through the match, and I ignored and endured the pain for the rest of the match.
This is very different to most people involved in point fighting. Mostly, they will fall to the ground in pain if they get a light punch in the nose.
At my first tournament, if I had reacted the way most point fighters do, I would have fallen to the ground in pain, and remained there for way over 10 seconds, until the other guy was disqualified, i win the fight and the medic is called over. I ended up losing that fight, but to this day I have not had a single regret about it.
Over reacting, or even reacting to being hit in a real fight will cause you to get you're ass kicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If point fighters fall to the ground from a light hit to the nose, how would they be able to handle a full on attack in a real situation?

Okay, I admit that you can be involved in point fighting and not over react to hits, but in the end you will probably never do too well against all the pussies who can't take a hit. And if you want to enter any kind of competition, why not full contact?

I apologize if I have offended anyone, but I am not against everyone who does point fighting, I am just against the problems involved.

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Tom Yum

Hey fanman,

Pointfighting is mostly for kids. Some adults do it too. Done it when I was 13. I saw a semi-contact TKD tournament last year with adults. It was entertaining to watch

Sounds like you're a traditional arts guy. Get into full-contact open style tournaments!

Don't know how old you are or how long you've been in the arts, but before UFC this was the thing to do.

Here's an example of what I am talking about: TKD/Judo vs. Kyokushin

http://www.suginoharyu.com/html/vide...rld%20Cham.mpg

seppuku

Thanks for the link Tom Yum. Liked that video a lot

muaythaiguy15

Why are you complaining? Its not like it affects you at all. No point to complain if its nothing concerns you. A persons hobby is what he likes to do, so why do you have to put that down? I agree that I would never fight in a competition like that, but still. Join a MMA or MT tournament, maybe someday ill meet you out there lol jk good points though in this thread

kuk sool won

Iv'e competed in both, i've trained in both, i dont see a problem with it, not everyone is willing enough to be repeatedly punched in the face and just want some friendly competition out of it. Not everyone is in it to learn self defense, some want to get fit, others do it for fun, some even do it so the have something flashy to show their mates, you have to realise not everyone is in it for the same reasons as you.

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danfaggella

This is true, and I never bash people who do WuShu, or people who do point sparring, or people who are flower fists and know nothing but forms, or people who do kickboxing for fitness, ect... However, it is when such people consider thier training method to be the best and start thinkin that they are bug-n-tough "martial artists" that I get mad. Some guys do WuShu and understand that in itself those pretty dances aren't going to do too much in the sreet, granded WuShu competition has benefits of developing flexibility, stamina, strenth, ect... it does not really prepare someone for combat. When people are not honest or are just plain ignorant thats when I get mad. For instance, McDojos always advertize themselves as places to learn martila arts and self-defence when it is obvious that they are just daycare places for 5yearolds and places for middle-agers to do jumping-jacks and kick the air like a doofus. This is misleading to the public who usually knows nothing of martla art validity.

Kaiten

I point fight in the WKF and I have seen exactly what fanman is talking about its very true and pathetic. I am one of the ones who happen to be a heavy hitter and depending on the judge either it works for me or against me. But the level people exaggerate an injury is an insult to themselves their art and their coaches.
I'm getting fed up with it myself. And there is no offense taken here I don't point fight to prove how good I am at Karate or what not. I look at it like a game of chess nothing more nothing less. I do pretty good on an international level, but if I fought like that in a real confrontation I would have my butt handed to me.
The sad part is the mentality of most WKF Players is that it will work outside of the ring as well which really is not the case.

danfaggella

Well, its better than nothing, at least the opponent is resisting. However, it is certainly not the most valid form to simulated combat in anyones oppinion.

Scott Bolinger

on the 10 second rule, I believe that's just something that the person running the meet putts in there. It don't sound like a very good rule to have. they used to have the first blood rule.

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Toudiyama[NL]

10 second rule is bit more than what is metioned here, the guy going down might win but in a tournament he can't continue because of it

also if it is your own fold that you get hit, because you put your self in danger, you get Shikaku, which is about the worst disqualified there is in WKF poit fighting
Oh even if you don't get hit and put yourself in danger, you will get Shikaku

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Mad_Mally

Personally I want to train to do knock down tournaments.

Scott Bolinger

well all the guys I teach, if there wanting to go into full contact kickboxing, I make a push to have them fight at least one year as a USA boxer. Train as a boxer and kickboxer, then compete in USA boxing. You could also double check with your LBC, and compete in point tournaments for kickboxing or karate. But, it's just a suggestion to try the boxing for a year and try and get between 5 to 10 fights under your belt as a boxer befor going into kickboxing full contact.

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