Thread: Q: Experienced Ground Fighters

If it was that easy to land the knee, you would see it mch more ofen in MMA fights, as it is you rarely see it happening
Only when this is the only way the grappler tries to attack, you might see it happening but most will have more than one way to get you down (suplex?)
Also because they are cautious of the knee they will set it up with some punching
Lastly speed, the shoot for the waist/leg area is fast, probably faster than you are doing it in the excercise
Try the excercise with multiple possible attacks, adding a hip and arm throw or a tripping technique while appying the overhooks, raise the speed and you will notice that it much harder to defend against the takedown

Adn let's not forget, on the streets, how would you know someone is a grappler and as a result be cautious for the takedown?

Now I'm not an experienced grappler ( did some judo and jujitsu in the past as well as some MMA) so others might have a different opinion

I would say find a MMA or BJJ dojo for crosstraining, those will probably allow you to tryout your tricks ( as long as you leave out the eye gouching)

I'm glad you are seriously considering learning ground fighting. Its a good idea, NOW DO IT.

You see the thing is, A footballer does a take down from a long distance, a grappler on the other hand will attempt a take down from nothing more than a punch range. Most of the time, its done with a feign, A fake jab/snap kick to distract your attention from a takedown.
Yes knees do work. Only under the condition that the grappler attempts it from a long range(outside of kick range), anything closer than that and you won't react fast enough.

The only True anti-grapple is to grapple. Sorry thats the truth. Chain punches don't work(as well as they should)because on the ground you lack the hip/shoulder movement nessary to produce power in your punch. Eye grouges/strikes are dangerous, not for your opponent but for you. The technique involved in a eye-strike leaves you dead open to an Arm-Bar, shit, you giving your arm to him.

Anyone who honestly believes that 1 or 2 moves can counter a life-time of hardwork and dedication, seriously needs to rethink his/her strategy.

Originally Posted by Shard

I'm glad you are seriously considering learning ground fighting. Its a good idea, NOW DO IT.

You see the thing is, A footballer does a take down from a long distance, a grappler on the other hand will attempt a take down from nothing more than a punch range. Most of the time, its done with a feign, A fake jab/snap kick to distract your attention from a takedown.
Yes knees do work. Only under the condition that the grappler attempts it from a long range(outside of kick range), anything closer than that and you won't react fast enough.

The only True anti-grapple is to grapple. Sorry thats the truth. Chain punches don't work(as well as they should)because on the ground you lack the hip/shoulder movement nessary to produce power in your punch. Eye grouges/strikes are dangerous, not for your opponent but for you. The technique involved in a eye-strike leaves you dead open to an Arm-Bar, shit, you giving your arm to him.

Anyone who honestly believes that 1 or 2 moves can counter a life-time of hardwork and dedication, seriously needs to rethink his/her strategy.

Nice post.

I also agree that it's important to cross train. My instructor briefly introduced us to some mat work he learned from a GJJ seminar he attended years ago.

As part of the class, we traded positions being in the guard positions, and the mount. When I was on the mat, and my partner was sitting on my chest, I felt like a fish out of the water. There really wasn't much I could do.

If you're in the same position, only thing I can think of (short of training in the full system of BJJ) is a rabbit punch,or an elbow to the guy's jewels. That's not allowed in the ring, but out on the street, anything goes, right?

Originally Posted by JkD187

Now if you cant hip escape all you have done is piss the guy off and your likely to get very very hurt.

I believe I did mention that cross training was important, didn't I?

Point taken.

CoN - good to see another WC'er contemplating cross training to incorporate ground skills. I am a WC'er and live & train with a BJJ'er - and I can assure you, WC principles do NOT easily translate to the ground, especially when most WC practitioners (that I know of anyway) do not spend the time required to learn to apply such skills on the ground (and I won't even get into a discussion as to what I think of these WC ground skills).

Furthermore, the BJJ'er I live with specifically trains in class to do their best to negate WC techs. Unlike some BJJ self professed heroes, the instructors at the BJJ school have a learnt respect for the close in striking capabilities of a competant WC'er and thus they cater for this in their training.

Keep an open mind and have a roll with an experienced BJJ'er - injury free is the key, but give it a go and hopefully you'll see what I mean.

I have been taken down by some very unorthodox BJJ techniques, at extremely close range and once you're playing their game, it's not pleasant.

"My SiFu said that the problem is that most people would often try to wrestle their way out when they are on the ground and its a terrible idea because a ground fighter would specialize in grappling. He explained that when a wc practioner gets taken down, they would bring Wing Chun techniques with them to the ground, from eye strikes to chain punches, etc. Basically he warned to try not to grapple against a ground fighter and do anything possible to get back on your feet."

The ground is an entirely different scenario, with its own very unique set of skills and concepts. A TKD guy isn't going to be doing anymore roundhouse kicks on the ground. You must learn to grapple in order to avoid grappling, just as a grappler must learn striking so that he can avoid being hit and and possably get a few hits in before he clinches and drags his opponent to the gorund.