tai chi vs ninjutsu,(different tho)

lightning knife · 11-13-2007, 03:22 PM

i no, i no u hate 'which martial art is best' threads
this is not one
my parents are forcing me 2 do kung (although tai chi lang system), which admit i am uncomfortable with
we learn techniques similar to karate but we do not do ANY technique application, we do not practise blocking strikes at all, this would not bother me if i hadnt talked 2 a level 1 blackbelt who said he had done any even basic sparring! this seems wrong 2 me especially as i do not not not not like tai chi praying mantis anyway. so could someone please help me out
also i have heard that tai chi takes up to 15 years to learn to apply in combat

GranFire · 11-13-2007, 03:49 PM

Well, there are different reasons to do the same thing. Some people prefer the meditative side of the MA, especially Tai Chi. Black belts have a higher recognition outside the MA community anyhow.

I suggest you have a calm and collected talk with your parents.
Ask them (in a non whining manner) why they wish for you to participate in the specific MA.

Tell them you wish to do something more self defense oriented, also non bratty in tonation, very important!

Depending on that, you might be able to come to an compromise.

One of the kids in my TKD school also trains in Ninjitsu. We had not discusses the differences in detail, but it's a pretty all inclusive deal, grabs and takedowns in adition to kicks and strikes.

And be asured, even if you can't train in any other MA right now, you are not bound to Tai Chi for life, you can take many more styles in the future!

BudoTiger · 11-13-2007, 04:05 PM

i agree with granfire. explain to yoru parentsyou don't enjoy that particular class and its not what you are looking for. ask them to help you find another school that suits you better. the key is though to do it in an adult like manner without resorting to "whining" about it.

lightning knife · 11-13-2007, 11:50 PM

thanks 4 da info but i try to talk to them but they do not listen, when i bring the subject up they either yell at me 2 shut up or sarcastically say 'do u what u want but find ur own way 2 the class and u pay 4 it'

lightning knife · 11-13-2007, 11:54 PM

i no that ninjutsu is a complete art i have looked into it for ages and now i am obsessed with training in the nearby school at it

GranFire · 11-15-2007, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightning knife

thanks 4 da info but i try to talk to them but they do not listen, when i bring the subject up they either yell at me 2 shut up or sarcastically say 'do u what u want but find ur own way 2 the class and u pay 4 it'

LOL, start your own Ninjitzu: Find a way to get parents to agree: Keep room cleaned homework done and grades up, do chores, do extra chores. Don't be sassy...the works. if you can please parents, they are more willing to be accomodating. Can't tell from here, but you need to make sure you come across as a mature person when you present your wishes, coming up with a plan to make extra money can't hurt, so maybe they take you but you pay for it.

Possibilities are endless. make sure you outline how it would be beneficial to you! And not just because you want to do it. Is it a cultural thing?

kanik · 11-29-2007, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightning knife

i no, i no u hate 'which martial art is best' threads
this is not one
my parents are forcing me 2 do kung (although tai chi lang system), which admit i am uncomfortable with
we learn techniques similar to karate but we do not do ANY technique application, we do not practise blocking strikes at all, this would not bother me if i hadnt talked 2 a level 1 blackbelt who said he had done any even basic sparring! this seems wrong 2 me especially as i do not not not not like tai chi praying mantis anyway. so could someone please help me out
also i have heard that tai chi takes up to 15 years to learn to apply in combat

Dude! do yourself a favour and talk normally! Not with all the numbers and put some damn punctuation in there, its hard to understand. Aaaas for my oppinion!! Tai chi is awesome, get some friends and try apply it. Seriously, its good stuff if you can learn it well. Ninjitsu or whatever your learning aint that great... I mean my friend learnt it for ages, and all he got from it was the annoying habit of stepping on my toes while attacking me... Hmm... an uppercut to the ribs should help him fix that... next time... next time... BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Mikeb85 · 11-29-2007, 11:57 PM

First of all, pretty much all ninjutsu is a joke. There are no Ninja's anymore - Ninja's were nothing more than assasins from the middle ages in Japan. Nowadays Ninja's wear camo and sneak around with a gun shooting soldiers in war zones, or assasinating politicians in war torn countries. Second, Ninjas were most likely trained in older Ju-Jitsu styles (most of which don't exist anymore, at least not in their earlier forms), Ninjutsu is a modern style meant to prey on people who watch too many Ninja movies...

As for Tai Chi, it's something that takes a lifetime to train. It's truly a complete art - it contains striking, grappling (although the grappling in CMAs is different that say, BJJ - theres alot more standing grappling, small joint manipulation, and emphasis on breaks and joint destruction techniques - not submission), as well as exercises that promote health and well-being. Strait up though, Tai Chi is a great art for fighting - I've got a buddy who's been doing it for 15 years or so - I'd rather step into the ring with a pro MMA fighter than fight this guy on the streets...

The main concern with Tai Chi is finding a decent school - alot of places only teach the forms for health benefit, and don't stress the martial side of the art. If you can find a good teacher however, it's a great martial art.

jubaji · 11-30-2007, 12:37 AM

Stop communicating like an idiot and your parents will take what you have to say more seriously.

kanik · 11-30-2007, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jubaji

Stop communicating like an idiot and your parents will take what you have to say more seriously.

Yeah, as I said.

Also! With that Tai chi thing, yeah it can be good, or it can severely suck to the degree that you would be better off stabbing safety pins into yourself for training. Though everything can be good if you train it well, you need to work on real world application, and train hard. You cant just complete one-million forms and expect to know how to fight. Also like I said... Ninjutsu isnt the greatest either. But in my personal (and super sexy) oppinion, I must say that one martial art is better than no martial art, so long as you are serious and willing to work on it in your own time, so go for it man, pick one, train one! Then most importantly... Kick some ass!

Mr. Arieson · 12-01-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeb85

First of all, pretty much all ninjutsu is a joke. There are no Ninja's anymore - Ninja's were nothing more than assasins from the middle ages in Japan. Nowadays Ninja's wear camo and sneak around with a gun shooting soldiers in war zones, or assasinating politicians in war torn countries. Second, Ninjas were most likely trained in older Ju-Jitsu styles (most of which don't exist anymore, at least not in their earlier forms), Ninjutsu is a modern style meant to prey on people who watch too many Ninja movies...

As for Tai Chi, it's something that takes a lifetime to train. It's truly a complete art - it contains striking, grappling (although the grappling in CMAs is different that say, BJJ - theres alot more standing grappling, small joint manipulation, and emphasis on breaks and joint destruction techniques - not submission), as well as exercises that promote health and well-being. Strait up though, Tai Chi is a great art for fighting - I've got a buddy who's been doing it for 15 years or so - I'd rather step into the ring with a pro MMA fighter than fight this guy on the streets...

The main concern with Tai Chi is finding a decent school - alot of places only teach the forms for health benefit, and don't stress the martial side of the art. If you can find a good teacher however, it's a great martial art.

I don't agree that Ninjutsu is a joke. However, I do agree that what the real Ninja's used was a form of ancient jujistu.

DickHardman · 12-26-2007, 08:10 PM

if you are looking to learn stuff you can apply in "combat" then you need to train at a school that has you sparring and grappling against resisting opponents.

just find a boxing gym or train with a wrestling club at school or something, they will be better than reaching blackbelt without ever having sparred lol....

leeman17 · 01-01-2008, 07:55 AM

Hi m8 my name is lee. i train in the Ryuko Dojo in england which is a branch of the Bujinkan organisation run by soke hatsumi (if u havnt heard of it). i just thought i would reply to your message about seeking out training in ninjutsu as it took me a while to find a school teaching anywhere near me. In my experience you are only going to become better at any art if you enjoy doing it, so your parents telling you to practice an art you dont want to is nearly pointless, also budo is a little similar to religion in that there is no point in practicing it if you do not believe that the principles being taught to you can truely help you in a real life. If all you are being taught is the forms but you are not being taught the principles behind the forms (which is the whole point of them!!) you are not learning anything that can be applied to a real situation. If you are looking to start training and you are really serious distance wouldnt be a problem, soke hatsumi used to travel for half a day every weekend for 15 years to train under Takamatsu sensei after all. But generally these days there are plenty of ninjutsu dojos around only the art is generaly refered to as Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu now as the name Ninjutsu wasnt really a suitable name concidering the art is made up of both samurai and ninja traditions. i would recomend you find a dojo headed by a shidoshi (5th Dan and above) and my only other advice would be to ask the teacher plenty of questions about the art, ask about any situation you like, anything at all and if your happy with the answers theres nothing left to do but to start training. hope to hear back what you decide to do m8. Happy training to you and happy new year!!!

lightning knife · 02-12-2008, 09:32 PM

thanks guys ill talk to my folks in 'a reasoned way'o all those who bagged ninjitsu should just learn about the damn thing.

and lee i have heard of the organisation and the teacher has certificates from hatsumi and the japanese government and he is a 7th dan

7r14ngL3Ch0k3 · 02-15-2008, 08:03 AM

this guy is just obsessed with becoming a black belt in something as quick as possible. not a true martial artist

11-13-2007, 03:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
lightning knife Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24	tai chi vs ninjutsu,(different tho) i no, i no u hate 'which martial art is best' threads this is not one my parents are forcing me 2 do kung (although tai chi lang system), which admit i am uncomfortable with we learn techniques similar to karate but we do not do ANY technique application, we do not practise blocking strikes at all, this would not bother me if i hadnt talked 2 a level 1 blackbelt who said he had done any even basic sparring! this seems wrong 2 me especially as i do not not not not like tai chi praying mantis anyway. so could someone please help me out also i have heard that tai chi takes up to 15 years to learn to apply in combat

11-13-2007, 03:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
GranFire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South East Posts: 586	Well, there are different reasons to do the same thing. Some people prefer the meditative side of the MA, especially Tai Chi. Black belts have a higher recognition outside the MA community anyhow. I suggest you have a calm and collected talk with your parents. Ask them (in a non whining manner) why they wish for you to participate in the specific MA. Tell them you wish to do something more self defense oriented, also non bratty in tonation, very important! Depending on that, you might be able to come to an compromise. One of the kids in my TKD school also trains in Ninjitsu. We had not discusses the differences in detail, but it's a pretty all inclusive deal, grabs and takedowns in adition to kicks and strikes. And be asured, even if you can't train in any other MA right now, you are not bound to Tai Chi for life, you can take many more styles in the future! __________________ Banner by www.fiveancestors.com http://itatigerforum.proboards103.com/ It's not the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog

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BudoTiger Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11	i agree with granfire. explain to yoru parentsyou don't enjoy that particular class and its not what you are looking for. ask them to help you find another school that suits you better. the key is though to do it in an adult like manner without resorting to "whining" about it.

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lightning knife Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24	thanks 4 da info but i try to talk to them but they do not listen, when i bring the subject up they either yell at me 2 shut up or sarcastically say 'do u what u want but find ur own way 2 the class and u pay 4 it'

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lightning knife Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24	i no that ninjutsu is a complete art i have looked into it for ages and now i am obsessed with training in the nearby school at it

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Mikeb85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37	First of all, pretty much all ninjutsu is a joke. There are no Ninja's anymore - Ninja's were nothing more than assasins from the middle ages in Japan. Nowadays Ninja's wear camo and sneak around with a gun shooting soldiers in war zones, or assasinating politicians in war torn countries. Second, Ninjas were most likely trained in older Ju-Jitsu styles (most of which don't exist anymore, at least not in their earlier forms), Ninjutsu is a modern style meant to prey on people who watch too many Ninja movies... As for Tai Chi, it's something that takes a lifetime to train. It's truly a complete art - it contains striking, grappling (although the grappling in CMAs is different that say, BJJ - theres alot more standing grappling, small joint manipulation, and emphasis on breaks and joint destruction techniques - not submission), as well as exercises that promote health and well-being. Strait up though, Tai Chi is a great art for fighting - I've got a buddy who's been doing it for 15 years or so - I'd rather step into the ring with a pro MMA fighter than fight this guy on the streets... The main concern with Tai Chi is finding a decent school - alot of places only teach the forms for health benefit, and don't stress the martial side of the art. If you can find a good teacher however, it's a great martial art.

12-26-2007, 08:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	if you are looking to learn stuff you can apply in "combat" then you need to train at a school that has you sparring and grappling against resisting opponents. just find a boxing gym or train with a wrestling club at school or something, they will be better than reaching blackbelt without ever having sparred lol....

01-01-2008, 07:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
leeman17 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 28	Hi m8 my name is lee. i train in the Ryuko Dojo in england which is a branch of the Bujinkan organisation run by soke hatsumi (if u havnt heard of it). i just thought i would reply to your message about seeking out training in ninjutsu as it took me a while to find a school teaching anywhere near me. In my experience you are only going to become better at any art if you enjoy doing it, so your parents telling you to practice an art you dont want to is nearly pointless, also budo is a little similar to religion in that there is no point in practicing it if you do not believe that the principles being taught to you can truely help you in a real life. If all you are being taught is the forms but you are not being taught the principles behind the forms (which is the whole point of them!!) you are not learning anything that can be applied to a real situation. If you are looking to start training and you are really serious distance wouldnt be a problem, soke hatsumi used to travel for half a day every weekend for 15 years to train under Takamatsu sensei after all. But generally these days there are plenty of ninjutsu dojos around only the art is generaly refered to as Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu now as the name Ninjutsu wasnt really a suitable name concidering the art is made up of both samurai and ninja traditions. i would recomend you find a dojo headed by a shidoshi (5th Dan and above) and my only other advice would be to ask the teacher plenty of questions about the art, ask about any situation you like, anything at all and if your happy with the answers theres nothing left to do but to start training. hope to hear back what you decide to do m8. Happy training to you and happy new year!!!

02-12-2008, 09:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
lightning knife Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 24	thanks guys ill talk to my folks in 'a reasoned way'o all those who bagged ninjitsu should just learn about the damn thing. and lee i have heard of the organisation and the teacher has certificates from hatsumi and the japanese government and he is a 7th dan

02-15-2008, 08:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
7r14ngL3Ch0k3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,511	this guy is just obsessed with becoming a black belt in something as quick as possible. not a true martial artist

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