Ghost

5 years in prison for carrying a knife, forget it, why risk it,
if things get really bad dress up as batman and no one will mess with you.

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Ghost

Yes, i know i see guys carrying them in the street all the time.

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eXcessiveForce

BREAKING NEWS:


UK Police raid butcher shops throughout the country and arrest 100's of butchers. Supermarkets expect meat shipments to be delayed for at least 5 years.


LMAO

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nathan rd

Uggg...how did this thread turn into a discussion of government regulation of weapons? I didn't intend that. My initial post was an attempt to show that the original poster was incorrect, and that training in bladed weapons does in fact have practical value in our lifetime because bladed weapons are used and do damage.

Tant01

Don't take it personal, eh? LOL Roll with it buddy. You have a most valid point.

It doesn't take much imagination to improvise some thing that can be used in a sword like manner.

I doubt if umbrellas or the walking cane will be outlawed anytime soon...

I never got into the sword much, frankly, they scare me. I like my knives and my right to carry them very much. While I personally prefer a short tool, I have nothing against learning the sword... In fact, what little I know of them has helped my ability to adapt and improvise. Almost any old stick will do...

In a pinch you could even use a steel wire antenna... or a broom...

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Ghost

Keep your personal preferences to yourself mate.

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Mike Brewer

The short answer is that there really isn't any practical application for the sword in today's society. It's an obsolete weapon that's impractical to carry, limited in its use, and clumsy by comparison to more modern self-protection options. Not only is it hiughly unlikely that an occasion would ever arise that you'd face a sword, it is also highly unlikely that if you did, a sword would be the best answer.

If you're looking for something that will "translate into other improvised weapons," then you're better off learning something that doesn't rely on an edge. Learn a stick art, because almost everything you can imagine using as an improvised weapon will be blunt, not edged. There's a difference not only in technique, but the result, of dragging a long blade across a person and smacking him with a stick-like club. You need to be prepared for a different kind of follow-up with a stick than you do with a blade.

If you're looking for something that's fun to do, sword arts can have a lot of benefits. If you want something that can give you a bit of a workout without being too tough on you, they have some benefits. You just can't confuse benefit with practicality.

Tant01

There was no innuendo intended. What we have here is called double-entendre

(Those can be accidental where innuendo is always intentional)

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bodhisattva

Wholly agree.

Functional Stick art = Utility, and even useful if you somehow either had a sword, or had to face someone who has a sword.

Sword art = Fun! No utility!

Wire Antenna = Looking stupid and getting your ass beat while holding onto an antenna

Broom = Good for sweeping and deadly in "kid kung fu movies" but usually not heavy enough to deliver a whuppin' in my experience - unless some dirt or dust bunnies attack you - then sweep em up, brotha!

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bodhisattva

People don't get five years in prison for using a knife, much less for having one.

People don't get five years for carrying a gun illegally.

People get less than five years for shooting people.


I don't think you're going to do time if found with a knife - but I really don't recommend packing one.

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bodhisattva

Also known as fear or paranoia usually present in men who were not athletic and humiliated often as kids. I don't find it much around the SBGi crowd.

I train in an art that has utility, and quit worrying about the "Mugging and death" mentality. At the training circle, we train because it's fun to train. We do make sure our game is tight, so if we have to use it, it will be there. But there is little reason to dream up dark scenarios after you find something that has utility in itself. Just have fun and play games. The Judo guys understand this better than anyone in my opinion. "Want to Play?" is how they ask if you want to fight. That's beautiful, and healthy, and free of ego, image or paranoia

No one's ego need be attached to his fighting. Fighting needn't be about image, nor does anyone's ego need be killed.


Which is totally fine, so long as the teacher isn't collecting people's money to teach them a "martial art" that sucks for fighting. Because that is not only fraud, but its going to get some people put in the hospital.

Totally agree. But "what we like" may not be very "martial."

You? Belligerent? Please. That would be like saying *I* am belligerent.

Oh, crap. I often am.

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Mike Brewer

Well, Bodhi, I can't speak for the "SBG Crowd" but I can tell you that you've parroted much of the overly macho stuff I'm talking about. The notion that anything that doesn't fall into your line of thinking about martial arts is precisely the kind of overly-threatened attitude to which I'm referring, and the fact that you use constant references to how piss-poor other people's methods are for "real fighting" is further proof. You've regularly come across in the past as the type to discount any and everyone outside your "crowd" for not being "alive enough" or some other such nonsense, telling people their way of training will never cut it in a "real fight." You can't have it both ways. Either you're a guy who thinks you need to stay on the very cutting edge of reality because that's what it takes to be prepared, or you think that training that way is a matter of paranoia, and it doesn't matter all that much.

Or...

You're trying to sell your method, and in so doing, trying to appeal to everyone you can, contradictions be damned.

For me, I find it a little less than genuine to read your many posts about how nearly every other martial art is full of holes, and how nearly every other teacher is a fraud only to then read someplace else that you're "fine" with people training for whatever reasons they like. You get pretty passionate about the issue when it's about those who don't do the things that SBG has adopted as curriculum for someone that doesn't really mind.

Again, it brings us back to what level of experience gives you the ability to determine what will or won't work in a "real" fight. Can you speak firsthand as to what soldiers or cops need? Can you speak to what an average guy looking for self-defense will need? How? Could it be that you've just been taking other people's word for it because it makes sense, even though you have no way of knowing for yourself?

And most of all, if it's so beautiful not to have any ego about your training - why do you seem to have so much?

RAB

I don't agree with anyone that says it is impractical. That is like say martial art is impractical and that would be a shame that so many people here waste their time playing.

Martial arts is about timing, distance, leverage and momentum. It doesn't matter what you call your style. The physical and practical aspects of focus on TDLM. For example, if you practice Judo then LM are more important than TD. If you practice kickboxing then TD are more important than LM. But I don't care if you the "great palm of incredible vibation," in order to make it practical you use martial skill - TDLM.

Swords are effective tools to move you to the next level. If I came at you with a sword everything is much faster, more threatening, and your brain sensory response is shorter. That requires a greater level of martial skill.

Tant01

You've never been whipped with a wire antenna, eh? Never had your teeth knocked out with broom stick?

You're right Bodhi.... I must have looked stupid fighting with improvised weapons...

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RAB

this sounds like a good poll.

who has been struck with

a. bat

b. pencil

c. knife

d. wire object

e. all of the above

I'm E, I'm E, that me! I was a stupid as a kid and probably deserve getting hit.