Mike Brewer

Wasn't the guy screaming? Do verbal submissions not count in BJJ tournaments?

Hardball

I think that was a Judo Tourney.

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Mike Brewer

Oh. Still, do verbal submissions count? The guy sounded like he was hollering all the way over.

Tant01

It's the Gi...

BJJ really is JUDO. LOL

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Hardball

Newaza that is!! BJJ spends much more time perfecting ground techniques. I still prefer Judo/JJJ.

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Hardball

He is supposed to hollar the word Matee!!! I agree with Dick. At the Black Belt level, cranking his arm was legit. Plus it happened so fast, the ref didn't have time to intervene.

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Mike Brewer

I don't think Camarillo did anything wrong, and he seemed to show good sportsmanship when he got up and checked on the guy. I was just curious.

Tant01

No one said he should let go the hold... (hell NO!) but he don't need to make the man cry either....

There is something to be said for SPORTSMANSHIP at any level. ESPECIALLY that so called BLACK belt. The gung ho crank it fast and hard is fine if you don't like the guy. I still think there's a lesson here. Control? Patience? Submission Vs. Destruction? I'd like to know if the guy needed surgery to fix his elbow?

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Hardball

Dickhardman should be able to tell us if that was personal.

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DickHardman

david has spoken about similar incidents in the past. this is actually a very common occurrence in judo/jiu jitsu matches at high levels, and especially in judo because it is so competitive. the reason you arent supposed to let go till the referee stops you is because if you release before the ref steps in, your opponent may be able to deny tapping out if the referee didnt get a clear view. this is why they hold on. people in these tournaments get injured regularly, mostly due to bad referees. also, i know for a fact that some people enjoy injuring their opponents on purpose. i had a very well known, and very accomplished judoka who coached the olympic team tell me str8 up that he has broken peoples arms in judo tournaments simply because he felt like it. make no mistake about it, competing in judo/jiu jitsu tournaments is dangerous. even at lower levels, we had a guy who trains with us get his arm broken completely in half from a bicep slicer instantly, that move isnt even allowed in jiu jitsu tournaments. the dude went into shock and was out of training for like a year. by entering a judo/jiu jitsu tournament you run a pretty decent risk of getting injured, thats the bottom line.

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Tant01

Accidents WILL happen but if we don't PENALIZE these aggressive players it will hurt the whole sport. There is no reason for it other than starving egos... Piss poor show. Bad form. It doesn't take much to hurt folks. It takes much more to do it RIGHT. Play nice.

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DickHardman

play nice?? lol......yeah right.....tell that to the homie who had his arm fractured in half by a technique that wasnt even legal.

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Hardball

Hey Tanto or Dick, what is the Japanese name for bicep slicer?

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Tant01

With your arms or your legs?

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T. Shidachi, 1892

DickHardman

sorry i dont know the japanese name. comes in a few variations. simplest way is to use it is on a guy who is defending an armbar.

this way here, super easy, crushes their bicep muscle and can break the arm.......one of those moves were the damage is done before you realize it....

YouTube Video

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"Don't taze me bro!!!"

I wanna see it painted, painted black
Black as night, black as coal
I wanna see the sun blotted out from the sky
I wanna see it painted, painted, painted, painted black

The Grand Deception
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OneWjG74er8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7eQg0nqH5A