Whats the 'best' karate style?

Ox Lion · 10-09-2003, 08:42 AM

I do shukokai karate and a few friends do wado, the two styles are pretty similiar, but what advantages would these have over other styles such as shotokan or senokai and the like? Is there one ultimate style of karate out there?

jules · 10-09-2003, 10:11 AM

kyokushin karate is the only one that would seriously consider comming from a MT background. And i am not saying this just because i am korean.

Ox Lion · 10-09-2003, 10:33 AM

Kyokushinkai? I heard that was a form of karate which favours 'destruction techniques' and is more towards kickboxing, wasn't it created by a korean martial artist?

jules · 10-09-2003, 10:46 AM

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Kyokushinkai?

yes

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I heard that was a form of karate which favours 'destruction techniques' and is more towards kickboxing...

I don't know about the "destruction techniques" but to me it seems more practical than most styles of Karate.

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...wasn't it created by a korean martial artist?

Wow you knew that Mr. Ohyama was korean? I didn't know it was common knowlage.

fullcircle · 10-09-2003, 10:53 AM

My vote is for Kyokushin, not just because I have studied it

**Thai Bri** · 10-09-2003, 01:37 PM

Ox - I studied Shukokai for a few years and got to 1st Kyu. I never did get around to taking my Dan grade, but I'm not too bothered. I've seen alot of different stykes since then.

All Shukokai gave me was the ability to Reverse Punch hard, as well as a hard front kick and Roundhouse kick. The rest of it was garbage.

Get yourself to a Thai Boxing school if you want to learn how to fight. And go along to the Gracie Barae club in Birmingham. Within 1 year of hard training you will be equal in real fighting ability than anyone in the Shukokai world. Or Wado. Or Kyukushinkai.

platinum_angel · 10-10-2003, 02:51 PM

the best karate??????????? well metsunamaki of course

Serrada · 10-10-2003, 03:42 PM

It's all in the experiance of the teacher, not the art. I studied years of kempo karate and thought that was the ticket. Then I met a Shotokan teacher who studied 16 yrs in Japan and he took me to a whole different level. And so on. I do believe it's your ultimate responsibility to practice and keep the techniques that work for you and practice them and not use others, but remember them b/c they may work better for another person you teach later.

Other things to remember is if you have a connection with a teacher and student at one school you might be more inclined to keep training at that school.

See the website below.

Ox Lion · 10-11-2003, 03:04 AM

Yeah, thats his name. Apparantly he died without ever telling anyone the true philosiphies of his art, thus it apparantly isn't taught as properely like he used to teach it, well thats what i read.

Bri thanxs for telling me about the Barai thai boxing, thats just what i was looking for because i have been considering doing thai as well as karate, hehe i can finally get one over against my friend who been doing shukokai for six years, in fact he's where you were bri, he's got his dan grading sunday, i'm not sure if ALL of karate training is nonsense (thought quite a bit can be i agree) i've also saw this guy fight on the street and he pretty much levered the poor fool, maybe it's the style, the teachers or some of the brutal manouveres he's been exposed to over the years by different martial artists.

Yeah it could all be in the way a style of karate is taught because two of my friends r taught wado by an instructor who my instructors and friends at the club i go to say is a real big show off, and suprisingly enough they go round showing off too.

Oh yeah, i read the thread on shukokai, Bri, it doesn't seem like you had the greatest experience of karate, so you weren't taught take downs at all? Its actually quite a large part of my club, in fact it's what i'm best at.
Also i know my instructors are genuinely good martial artists as the main sensei has won plenty of competitions (hehehe he fought on with a broken nose once, but yet his sesnei fought on with a broken leg) and is pretty much untouchable he's that fast and the other was trained by Shigeru Kimura himself and he really did have that legendary beer belly to help his punches.

**Thai Bri** · 10-11-2003, 05:02 AM

My instructor was also trained by Kimura. The old guy was great at the techniques I previously described. Reversue Punch, Roundhouse kick and Front kick. And that was it. He couldn't do them on the move either, his opponent would have to be standing still!

The "Barrai" (sp) is the Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. It is rare in the UK at the moment. The Thai Boxing will be much easier to find nationwide, though quality does vary.

Good luck in whatever you end up doing.

KevinHallman · 10-12-2003, 01:11 AM

Hmm, best karate style? Wouldn't that be like an oxymoron being as all karate styles such a$$ anyway? Not to offend anyone here but every karate instructor/studen tI ever faught was just pitiful. Full pansies if ya ask me.

Now welcome me to the board.

**Thai Bri** · 10-12-2003, 04:00 AM

Welcome to the board.

hEmPY · 10-12-2003, 06:15 PM

If u wanna learn ta fight go for boxin. They ll teach u to punch fast n hard. Thai boxin is good too. Thai boxin will make u able to resist hard attacks. Kyokushin kai kan will increase yo stamina. Aikido is really effective too.

Ox Lion · 10-13-2003, 07:53 AM

Aikido? its an interesting MA but it's even harder to apply most of it in a real life situation than karate is.

People say that you can't use karate in the street, but you can. Of course your not going put your self in a stance, then attempt an oi zsuki, but you are (presuming you are going to fight instead of just blaming your inaction on your style of MA) going to throw punches and maybe a kick or two and attempt to beat the guy your fighting down.

It cannot prepare you for clashes in real life, but it can give you some kind of confidence and attitude towards people that says you wouldn't be less than them in a fight. I mean maybe it's just me and my opinion but whoever your fighting is only human and hurts and bleeds like one. I mean there's always a chance of beating anyone, no matter who they are, how big (or hairy) they are and what style of MA they do, at the end of the day a scrap is a scrap.

Then if i have this mentality why am i even studying a martial art, perhaps i feel in need an edge over people or i like practicing to fight even though there are so many limitations (which is why i think i'm going to opt for thai boxing aswell as karate or on it's own) or perhaps its the MA that gives me this mentality i do not know. Does anyone else have this view?

hEmPY · 10-13-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Ox Lion
Aikido? its an interesting MA but it's even harder to apply most of it in a real life situation than karate is.

Aikido is effective if ure experienced student. And its alot easier to fight another Aikido master if you r understandin Aikido, atleast a litle.

10-09-2003, 08:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ox Lion Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 25	Whats the 'best' karate style? I do shukokai karate and a few friends do wado, the two styles are pretty similiar, but what advantages would these have over other styles such as shotokan or senokai and the like? Is there one ultimate style of karate out there?

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platinum_angel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: heaven and hell Posts: 714	the best karate??????????? well metsunamaki of course __________________ In order to experience true peace you must first overcome true hardship. remember the wind, for it flows through all of us. I like smeg-ma chips. for all those who i offend............i don't give a shit

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Serrada Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 88	It's all in the experiance of the teacher, not the art. I studied years of kempo karate and thought that was the ticket. Then I met a Shotokan teacher who studied 16 yrs in Japan and he took me to a whole different level. And so on. I do believe it's your ultimate responsibility to practice and keep the techniques that work for you and practice them and not use others, but remember them b/c they may work better for another person you teach later. Other things to remember is if you have a connection with a teacher and student at one school you might be more inclined to keep training at that school. See the website below. __________________ “There is no best style. Dedication to ones art will achieve the result one desires.” http://www.boudicca.de/k2.htm

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hEmPY Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 347	Yo If u wanna learn ta fight go for boxin. They ll teach u to punch fast n hard. Thai boxin is good too. Thai boxin will make u able to resist hard attacks. Kyokushin kai kan will increase yo stamina. Aikido is really effective too.

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10-09-2003, 10:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
jules Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 474	kyokushin karate is the only one that would seriously consider comming from a MT background. And i am not saying this just because i am korean.

10-09-2003, 10:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ox Lion Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 25	Kyokushinkai? I heard that was a form of karate which favours 'destruction techniques' and is more towards kickboxing, wasn't it created by a korean martial artist?

10-09-2003, 10:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
fullcircle Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 178	My vote is for Kyokushin, not just because I have studied it

10-09-2003, 01:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	Ox - I studied Shukokai for a few years and got to 1st Kyu. I never did get around to taking my Dan grade, but I'm not too bothered. I've seen alot of different stykes since then. All Shukokai gave me was the ability to Reverse Punch hard, as well as a hard front kick and Roundhouse kick. The rest of it was garbage. Get yourself to a Thai Boxing school if you want to learn how to fight. And go along to the Gracie Barae club in Birmingham. Within 1 year of hard training you will be equal in real fighting ability than anyone in the Shukokai world. Or Wado. Or Kyukushinkai.

10-11-2003, 03:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ox Lion Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 25	Yeah, thats his name. Apparantly he died without ever telling anyone the true philosiphies of his art, thus it apparantly isn't taught as properely like he used to teach it, well thats what i read. Bri thanxs for telling me about the Barai thai boxing, thats just what i was looking for because i have been considering doing thai as well as karate, hehe i can finally get one over against my friend who been doing shukokai for six years, in fact he's where you were bri, he's got his dan grading sunday, i'm not sure if ALL of karate training is nonsense (thought quite a bit can be i agree) i've also saw this guy fight on the street and he pretty much levered the poor fool, maybe it's the style, the teachers or some of the brutal manouveres he's been exposed to over the years by different martial artists. Yeah it could all be in the way a style of karate is taught because two of my friends r taught wado by an instructor who my instructors and friends at the club i go to say is a real big show off, and suprisingly enough they go round showing off too. Oh yeah, i read the thread on shukokai, Bri, it doesn't seem like you had the greatest experience of karate, so you weren't taught take downs at all? Its actually quite a large part of my club, in fact it's what i'm best at. Also i know my instructors are genuinely good martial artists as the main sensei has won plenty of competitions (hehehe he fought on with a broken nose once, but yet his sesnei fought on with a broken leg) and is pretty much untouchable he's that fast and the other was trained by Shigeru Kimura himself and he really did have that legendary beer belly to help his punches.

10-11-2003, 05:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	My instructor was also trained by Kimura. The old guy was great at the techniques I previously described. Reversue Punch, Roundhouse kick and Front kick. And that was it. He couldn't do them on the move either, his opponent would have to be standing still! The "Barrai" (sp) is the Brazillian Jiu Jitsu. It is rare in the UK at the moment. The Thai Boxing will be much easier to find nationwide, though quality does vary. Good luck in whatever you end up doing.

10-12-2003, 01:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
KevinHallman Guest Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5	Hmm, best karate style? Wouldn't that be like an oxymoron being as all karate styles such a$$ anyway? Not to offend anyone here but every karate instructor/studen tI ever faught was just pitiful. Full pansies if ya ask me. Now welcome me to the board.

10-12-2003, 04:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	Welcome to the board.

10-13-2003, 07:53 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ox Lion Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 25	Aikido? its an interesting MA but it's even harder to apply most of it in a real life situation than karate is. People say that you can't use karate in the street, but you can. Of course your not going put your self in a stance, then attempt an oi zsuki, but you are (presuming you are going to fight instead of just blaming your inaction on your style of MA) going to throw punches and maybe a kick or two and attempt to beat the guy your fighting down. It cannot prepare you for clashes in real life, but it can give you some kind of confidence and attitude towards people that says you wouldn't be less than them in a fight. I mean maybe it's just me and my opinion but whoever your fighting is only human and hurts and bleeds like one. I mean there's always a chance of beating anyone, no matter who they are, how big (or hairy) they are and what style of MA they do, at the end of the day a scrap is a scrap. Then if i have this mentality why am i even studying a martial art, perhaps i feel in need an edge over people or i like practicing to fight even though there are so many limitations (which is why i think i'm going to opt for thai boxing aswell as karate or on it's own) or perhaps its the MA that gives me this mentality i do not know. Does anyone else have this view?

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