Weight lifting and Martial arts training

[BeingAtOne]

I was curious what you guys think of doing weights and what type of routines you guys use for weight training if you even do it. Aswell what you think are some bad misconseptions about weight training and Martial Arts?

[EmptyneSs]

well ur probobly gonna have more than few idiots reply to this thread saying dumbass shit like lifting weights will make u too big and slow for martial arts, but just ignore them.

[Enrique]

Very good topic. I do Martial arts 5 times in week, and weightlifting 3 times in week. Very often is said, that martial artists should just do with light wight and long series to get speed. I'm not doing like that. I do all kinds of wight exercises, and i have found it good. My MA skills have not suffered from wightlifting.

And also remember in MA:s it is also very good if you are bigger and stronger than your opponent.

I would have very much to say about wightlifting and martial arts, but there is so many special words, so i can' explain it very well

[fayd]

About two years ago a few of us out in Maryland stopped "bodybuilding" style weight lifting and began olympic style strength training. We were introduced to Russian Kettlebells (www.dragondoor.com), but you can use dumbells or olympic bars and weights as well. A few of the base exercises are the overhead press, snatch, floor press, pull-ups, bent over rows, dead lifts, front squats, and turkish get-ups. Additional information can be found at www.mikemahler.com and www.renegadetraining.com. I hope this helps.

Train hard...

[koto_ryu]

Originally Posted by fayd

About two years ago a few of us out in Maryland stopped "bodybuilding" style weight lifting and began olympic style strength training.

Thank God.

Also, have you heard about Dinosaur Training and Rock Iron Steel?

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by koto_ryu

Thank God.

Also, have you heard about Dinosaur Training and Rock Iron Steel?

http://brookskubik.com/about.html

Oh yeah!!!

[koto_ryu]

Here's a great site too:

http://www.superstrengthbooks.com/index.html

[fayd]

Thanks for the additional web info. I'll have to check these sites out.

Train hard...

[bodhisattva]

Yo, beingatone,

Just about any system of weight training you choose is going to help you, so long as you do the exercises with proper form and with awareness.

That said, here' what I'd offer you as my pointers:

1. use freeweights when you can, but use the machines too when you like
2. compound motions and major groups - don't isolate your muscles as if you were a 5th year bodybuilder. It's unnecessary, time consuming, and robs spirit.
3. research the "SAID principle". type that in quotes on google and you should get plenty of info
4. stretch. time is a killer, and tight muscles are his henchmen, especially in these sports. don't worry about the guys looking at you like you're a dork if your'e at the gym. fugg em.
5. research "functional fitness". functional fitness weightlifting is great for fighting sports.

read a lot. believe nothing too much. everything is theories. when I started working out, people were telling me that if you do bench press with a close grip, it will deepen the canyon over the sternum between the pecs. But if you do em with a wide grip, you widen the "v" shape of the outer pectoral muscle.

all bullspit, too. total bullspit.

so believe nothing, read everything, and really pay attention to the guys who are getting results.

[fenwick99]

curls and french presses. Do external rotations, side raises, and reverse flyes
for shoulder health. Work the bi's with undergrip chins and the tri's with chest pressing or shoulder pressin movements.

[CaliLion]

Here's a cool book with workout plans specifically for athletes Getting Stronger

[richardjkd]

here are some other good titles:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

[fenwick99]

I want to counter what I call the "oly fallacy"-- namely that anyone who does an "explosive sport" should train with Olympic lifts and plyos instead of
powerlifts or slow-cadence standard movements. Plyos are okay for training
start-speed, not for strength. Olympic lifts and olympic lift derivatives take tremendous technique and good coaching, and even then, are very dangerous.
There is no evidence at all that doing "quick" power cleans or flip snatches,etc. will do anything for you that do "slow" squats, bench presses, dead-lifts, or pullups will not do. Slow cadence movements on Nautilus are equal to free weights, and are nowhere near as dangerous as Olympic lifts, olympic-like lifts,and plyos. If you insist on ignoring me, train Olympic lifts UNDER A QUALIFIED COACH. For every ten people who think they know how to teach Olympic lifting, only one actually does. Besides, how many gymrats who use powercleans even KNOW A DAMN THING about Olympic lifting,amy I ask?????. I know the sport, and I do not know of one single good Olympic weightlifter who has not suffered multiple acute and chronic injuries. Some champs take twenty minutes to get out of bed in the morning. Forget all
the speed-strengrth crap. Use slow, heavy movements in perfect form to develop strength, and use martial arts moves to develop speed.