The need for weapons part 2

[Demi Barbito]

Three weeks ago I had knee surgery on my right knee. The had tp clean up my meniscus. It was an easy recovery but I'm in no way able to fight.

Yesterday I had my right knee done. ACL repacement and meniscus repair. Major deal involving drilling holes into my bones, morphine, vicodin, a brace and crutches. This one too was hurt doing empty hand training.

It will be months of recovery.

Threat recognition and deceptive dialog would get me only so far.

Firearms, OC and Improvised Projectiles are I really have going at this point. Even OC and projectiles are iffy as they may not "stop" the threat.

Firearms are by no means magic. There is a lot to know, train and develop. It is very comforting to have a sense of total intimate familiartity with firearms (handgun and shotgun). Firearms have been a huge part of our training for the past five years.

The funny thing is that most people think that merely owning a gun makes them an expert or at least competant. Or, I get this one alot, "I've been shooting since I was a kid". Shooting is not fighting with a firearm. Shooting is not solving a lethal force encounter with a firearm.

Firearms are the top of the martial food chain. They require the same training focus as any other element. Many will not be willing or able to pay for quality training (usually high dollar) or even pratice ammo (depending on the caliber can be very costly as well). But you will only get out of it what you put into it. Back in 1995 I was paying high dollar to train BJJ with Mark Ecard and ocasionally Rickson Gracie. I paid good money for my empty hand training and my firerams training as well.

Good training doesn't cost, it pays.

I also have a State of Ca. concealed weapons permit. It was worth the time, effort and money.

If you haven't had formal firearms training you should get it. Safety, handling, marksmanship, tactics and fighting (in that order).

Demi

www.DemiBarbito.com

[unclejoe357]

I agree.
Just about any law abiding Pro-gun guy is a friend of mine.


Id like to add that anyone who carries/owns a firearm for self defence needs some weapon retention training. A lot of LEOs and private citizens think that their gun will prevail. They dont think about what happens when a guy three times my size tackles me, what happens if the gun malfunctions etc.

I was shooting long before empty hand training, then I went on to combat shooting and unarmed self defence. They are all very important parts of a good personal survival arsenal.

Best of luck with your recovery.

[unclejoe357]

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[unclejoe357]

Damn computer......

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Demi Barbito

Three weeks ago I had knee surgery on my right knee. ....
Yesterday I had my right knee done. ACL repacement and meniscus repair. Major deal involving drilling holes into my bones, morphine, vicodin, a brace and crutches. This one too was hurt doing empty hand training.

It will be months of recovery.


Demi

www.DemiBarbito.com

I'm going to say the medication must be working as I doubt that you actually had your right knee done twice?

Heal well and quickly...


I'm one of those guys that's been shooting since I was a kid. I have no "formal" training at all and while I agree that anyone that wants to use a handgun for SD needs serious realistic training, I think it's a mistake to discount the informally trained amatures... The problem comes if a weapon is used when it's not legally or morally justified. Understanding the nature of a deadly threat, "reasonable" reactions and justified SD are at least as important as knowing HOW to shoot. It really doesn't matter if I hit a guy over the head with my gun or shoot him with it, it's all ADW in the eyes of the DA.

[Tant01]

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Thanks!

[Patrick G.]

Guns are evil...you shouldn't need a gun if you can FIGHT!!!

















J/k...Texas CHL owner here!

[cfr]

I have been shooting only once in a while since I was a kid. I bought a handgun a couple of years ago, fired a couple hundred rounds with it, and havent used it since. I have it purely for home self defense. It costs lots to shoot and thats why I rarely use it. I think its safe to say though, if I fire off a couple of rounds and someone miss, chances are they will take off. Most people arent going to be so determined to harm me or my family that they will press on and keep attacking. Most people are going to kick rocks as fast as they can. Now trust me, if I ever have the opportunity/ funds to do some sort of combat training Ill jump on it. But until then I think its safe to say that something is better than nothing.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by cfr

I have been shooting only once in a while since I was a kid. I bought a handgun a couple of years ago, fired a couple hundred rounds with it, and havent used it since. I have it purely for home self defense. It costs lots to shoot and thats why I rarely use it....
...I think its safe to say that something is better than nothing.

You should shoot more often. Keeping your skills sharp is important. Imagine some guy with his own gun hiding behind a loved one...Do you have the skill to take the 5% shot? If your target is his head can you hit it under that kind of stress? And feel confident you won't shoot the victim in front of him?

Just a thought...

Modern technology can get your muscle memory up to speed without shooting tons of ammo.

Laser sights have many advantages over others that require line of sight type aiming. Just put the dot on target and squeeze the trigger! They're great for training point shooting or "instinct" shooting as long as you don't become dependent on the dot.

My laser sight got bumped out of zero one time and I felt it was off because it wasn't pointing where it should have been. It was only out an inch or so @ 30 ft. but enough that I knew it was off! A quick check with the iron sights confirmed it! With a light instead of lead you can practice in the house... You'll be shooting small moving targets in no time.

[cfr]

Originally Posted by Tant01

You should shoot more often. Keeping your skills sharp is important. Imagine some guy with his own gun hiding behind a loved one...Do you have the skill to take the 5% shot? If your target is his head can you hit it under that kind of stress? And feel confident you won't shoot the victim in front of him?

Just a thought...

Modern technology can get your muscle memory up to speed without shooting tons of ammo.

Laser sights have many advantages over others that require line of sight type aiming. Just put the dot on target and squeeze the trigger! They're great for training point shooting or "instinct" shooting as long as you don't become dependent on the dot.

My laser sight got bumped out of zero one time and I felt it was off because it wasn't pointing where it should have been. It was only out an inch or so @ 30 ft. but enough that I knew it was off! A quick check with the iron sights confirmed it! With a light instead of lead you can practice in the house... You'll be shooting small moving targets in no time.

I wonder how many people in the whole world could make that shot under that type of stress with a revolver? Probably not too many. And probably not even many that train for stuff like that? If I ever had the opportunity/ funds to take that sort of training I think it would be great. However, Im really just not worried enough about stuff like this to warrant a big investment. The laser pointer does sound like a good idea though. I may give that one some thought.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by cfr

I wonder how many people in the whole world could make that shot under that type of stress with a revolver? Probably not too many. And probably not even many that train for stuff like that? .

You might be surprised....

[Patrick G.]

Guys, in all seriousness, u know what helped me with my shooting accuracy before I really got into firing guns and getting my CHL? believe it or not, video games! no kidding...if u've practiced shooting since a kid with mock guns at a TV or arcade screen, it's bound to do something for your accuracy, and it certainly did..of course there's more variables involved in firing a real gun (not anticipating the recoil and "jumping" before you shoot, smooth trigger pull, quick draw from holster, laws, etc..) but video games DO help..