mauy thai vs jun fan

[Rank7]

may i ask who told you that? some one taught you wrong son.
you can harm one with a jun fan kick as well . and pretty bad . and it is not just wing chun . there is french kickboxing in as well (savate). i agree mt kicks are deadly. but they are not the only deadly kicks !

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Rank7

may i ask who told you that? some one taught you wrong son.
you can harm one with a jun fan kick as well . and pretty bad . and it is not just wing chun . there is french kickboxing in as well (savate). i agree mt kicks are deadly. but they are not the only deadly kicks !

What I said was that Jun Fan kicks are targeted more towards the structure of an opponent, i.e. the bones...but due to the nature of kicks designed to screw up bones and joints....the proper angle is needed. Muay thai kicks...because they attack muscle and nerve, and in some instances the joint...are more effective overall in accomplishing that end.
Jun Fan kicks are simply different. Both have their pro's and con's.
i.e. Thai kicks are pretty much telegraphed, whereas Jun Fan kicks are quick and under the radar...but aren't as forceful.
Don't agree with me??? Look at the JKD Jun Fan progressions for kickboxing.

[Rank7]

that can be agreed. i have noticed i aim my kicks at quick target points. right now im am practicing muay thai kicks for technique . maybe mix it some how. for me the whole shifting your foot work thing with the kicks are interesting. as well as how you have elbows jun fan has the straight blast. . again the sameargument can be used here as well. but all is cleared/

[SiY]

But aren't both styles of kicking intergrated in JKD?

[Patrick G.]

Originally Posted by Garland

What I said was that Jun Fan kicks are targeted more towards the structure of an opponent, i.e. the bones...but due to the nature of kicks designed to screw up bones and joints....the proper angle is needed. Muay thai kicks...because they attack muscle and nerve, and in some instances the joint...are more effective overall in accomplishing that end.
Jun Fan kicks are simply different. Both have their pro's and con's.
i.e. Thai kicks are pretty much telegraphed, whereas Jun Fan kicks are quick and under the radar...but aren't as forceful.
Don't agree with me??? Look at the JKD Jun Fan progressions for kickboxing.

After clarifying your point a little, I do agree with you here...

My take on Jun Fan/ JKD kicks vs. Muay Thai kicks are that, I feel they are a little too dangerous to use on the streets (against certain opponents), but more geared towards the ring (MT kicks, that is). I love both system of kicks, but the JKD kicks I prefer. This is because in the heat of battle, if you land your kick wrong (i.e. a hip bone or just flat out miss) then you can either cause extreme wear and damage to yourself, or set urself up for a bashing. When you've practiced JKD stop-kicks long enough and are quick and non-telegraphic w/ your sidekick, you'll start to notice just how easy it is to intercept a muay thati kick. It takes lots of speed and practice, but it can be done. Also, lets' think here about what kind of force this can have. Take a strong muay thai kick aimed at you, and then suddenly intercept it w/ a strong sidekick of your own aimed at the knee/thigh/shin. You have now combined the power of his kick with that of your own. Enough said.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Originally Posted by Patrick G.

After clarifying your point a little, I do agree with you here...

My take on Jun Fan/ JKD kicks vs. Muay Thai kicks are that, I feel they are a little too dangerous to use on the streets (against certain opponents), but more geared towards the ring (MT kicks, that is). I love both system of kicks, but the JKD kicks I prefer. This is because in the heat of battle, if you land your kick wrong (i.e. a hip bone or just flat out miss) then you can either cause extreme wear and damage to yourself, or set urself up for a bashing. When you've practiced JKD stop-kicks long enough and are quick and non-telegraphic w/ your sidekick, you'll start to notice just how easy it is to intercept a muay thati kick. It takes lots of speed and practice, but it can be done. Also, lets' think here about what kind of force this can have. Take a strong muay thai kick aimed at you, and then suddenly intercept it w/ a strong sidekick of your own aimed at the knee/thigh/shin. You have now combined the power of his kick with that of your own. Enough said.

Just for what it's worth, a few nights ago I damaged my shin sparring Muay Thai with a Thai friend of mine. I switched to Jun Fan/savate kicking and striking to save my back leg.
Having not sparred against that kind of "style" before in a while, my training partner got caught with numerous kicks, and couldn't seem to get inside or land any thigh kicks. I was able to catch him with a left roundkick to the side of the head near the end of the match.
So....maybe I should take back what I said before.

But I still like Muay Thai.

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by Patrick G.

After clarifying your point a little, I do agree with you here...

My take on Jun Fan/ JKD kicks vs. Muay Thai kicks are that, I feel they are a little too dangerous to use on the streets (against certain opponents), but more geared towards the ring (MT kicks, that is). I love both system of kicks, but the JKD kicks I prefer. This is because in the heat of battle, if you land your kick wrong (i.e. a hip bone or just flat out miss) then you can either cause extreme wear and damage to yourself, or set urself up for a bashing. When you've practiced JKD stop-kicks long enough and are quick and non-telegraphic w/ your sidekick, you'll start to notice just how easy it is to intercept a muay thati kick. It takes lots of speed and practice, but it can be done. Also, lets' think here about what kind of force this can have. Take a strong muay thai kick aimed at you, and then suddenly intercept it w/ a strong sidekick of your own aimed at the knee/thigh/shin. You have now combined the power of his kick with that of your own. Enough said.

keep in mind that muay thai kicks arent just thrown alone, they are almost always set up with punches, so it doesnt really matter if thet are little slower or not because setting them up ensures they will hit their target without being seen. if u are fighting a thai boxer, you are going to have combinations of punches coming to your face, and while you are preoccupied with those, thats when the kick is slipped in. u dont just walk up to someone and throw a kick, u gotta trick your opponent into receiving it, to ensure he doesnt block it. with thai leg kicks, your opponent should never even see the kick coming. i dont think u would be able to intercept a thai kick easily either for a few reasons. first u would be too busy dealing with the punches coming to your face, and u wouldnt even see the kick until u got hit with it. not only that, but in most likelyhood, when that thai kick is properly thrown, its not even at an angle that will alow you to be able to stop it with a sidekick, your going to be too close for that. and 3rd, if you throw that sidekick and miss, that low thai kick is going to cut down the one leg your standing on, sending u to the ground. alot of people make the mistake of using kicks alone, and doing shit like walking right up to your opponent and attempting to land a kick. this is a no no, cause it makes them easy to see, easy to evade, and easy to block and counter on. thats why thai kicks utilize so much more power, because they are set up with other strikes and usually arent seen until its too late.

i been noticing more than a few jkd people who train the thai kick, yet have no idea how to use it properly and no idea how to set up opponents for it.just cause u train a certain technique it doesnt mean u know how to use it properly.

[Rank7]

ryu jkd
got caught? did he get you or did you get him . im sorry i was unable to understand your post.

[Rank7]

to the previous post. combos will not always be consistent. i have trained mt kicks and have been able to notice the kicks even with combos. i am not bashing mt kicks because i have seen what some of those kicks can do and its not too purteh

[Patrick G.]

Originally Posted by Rank7

to the previous post. combos will not always be consistent. i have trained mt kicks and have been able to notice the kicks even with combos. i am not bashing mt kicks because i have seen what some of those kicks can do and its not too purteh

EXACTLY....although, i do see Empyness's point, and he is right to some extent...i guess it just depends on the opponent, but usually (w/ me at least) i can tell when someone's trying to set me up for a MT kick simply because of the range that the punches are thrown...sometimes it's very hard to tell, but the commitment is just not 100% there in the hands/distance/angle when someone is getting ready to throw a MT kick...

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Originally Posted by Rank7

ryu jkd
got caught? did he get you or did you get him . im sorry i was unable to understand your post.

I got him.

Though he and I have done Muay Thai for some time now.

[Rank7]

Do you mt practitioners find the foot switch before executing certain kicks a tad bit impracticle?

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by Rank7

Do you mt practitioners find the foot switch before executing certain kicks a tad bit impracticle?

switching feet can be a great way to trick your opponent and set him up for something. if u suck and you are slow, its no good, but if u are fast and use it as a set up it can be great. also, switching feet real fast can help u in your positioning. mabye u are too close or too far, or at a wierd angle, and switching feet may put u in a better position or give u more options.

for example when im fighting i switch sometimes real fast so i can use my lead leg to attack, and after one or two of those, i switch feet again, but instead of kicking i just come forward with a hard punch with my right hand, tricking my opponent into thinking another low kick was coming instead of my fist into his dome.

[William Holland]

"After you understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick"

Kawabunga,

William E. Holland II

[Rank7]

thanks that was well put