mauy thai vs jun fan

[Rank7]

jkd is taught by using muaythai or jun fan for striking . whats your preference?
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Jun fan gung fu

[academian]

Jkd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[SiY]

Im sure i learn both Muay Thai and Jun Fan Gung Fu in JKD.

[Rank7]

just how sure are you???? jun fan kicks are from a different foundation of mt kicks and elbows? traps? etc. you might be .


Jkd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

please reread me post

[Blue Wave Gym]

Mauy Thai, but please describe Jun Fan Techniques so I can comment further

[SiY]

Ok, i reread the original, well we use both . But i think a prefer mauy thai, but i wouldn't say jun fan gung fu kicks are bad.

BTW Rank7, you may also know me as Cmon from karateforums.

[academian]

I think you should change the name to muy thai kwon do as that is what it resembles stick with JKD

[EGstudent]

Jun Fan kicks are a little more direct and less powerful than Muay Thai kicks. I think boxing in Jun Fan and Muay Thai are similar Jun Fan boxing is very interesting because you learn to flow from each range kicking into trapping into boxing range. The footwork in Jun Fan is a little quicker than in muay thai. Muay Thai has more conditioning the Jun Fan does. Muay Thai's kicks are extremely powerful. I think that they both compliment each other. One isn't really better than the other. You must also realize that Jun Fan has foul tactics like kicking to the groin, side kick to the knees, eye jabs. Muay Thai is more for the ring. I don't know its all the same to me. Everything I learn is JKD to me.

[Garland]

The way I was taught.... since I was about 15...
we had seperate classes...monday was muay thai, wendsday FMA, and fridays were JKD/Jun Fan...and perhaps some grappling (shooto/BJJ)
I think this was a great approach, I'd been taking Muay Thai from a few other instructors when I was still REALLY little.

Jun Fan, the JKD method was applied, PIA, with a feint, followed by a jeet tek, a sipa kick, a'la fma panatucan boxing, or a low thai round kick, followed by either boxing or trapping, or a combination of both, i.e. the guy blocks, pac sao, lop sao, hook, cross, hook. or poc sao, lop sao, thumb eye gouge, headbutt, prummb knees, to the ground for an FMA finish.

Good integration, and finding out what works best for me. Just expanding that tool box beyond my thai boxing foundation.

[Garland]

basicly, I learn to seperate things into techniques, based on what tool I'm using...then on what's ring legal, and what's dirty as ****. I know the origins of the techniques per their art, but it makes no difference, and little sense, to seperate them by art in a fight. If the range is right, and the tool is there, use it.
With these many tools, and so many different routes they can lead to, you have an almost endless number of variable progressions, with the only limit being, what you can remember, and the limitations of the human body.
Things come out based on personality, what I prefer to train, and pure whim.
I might be sparring thai boxing, and all of the sudden think....huh, why not try a low left kick and then teap, and then axe kick them when they drop their hands down. Why the hell not if I can pull it off and look suave.
Or, if I see that they back down from punches...chain punch (or even just blitz'em a'la Belfort vs Silva) until they're up against the ropes, and then start throwing bombs with the leg kicks and crosses and right overhands, double up on the left hooks.

Cuz....it's murda.
Oh yeah.

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by EGstudent

You must also realize that Jun Fan has foul tactics like kicking to the groin, side kick to the knees, eye jabs. Muay Thai is more for the ring. I don't know its all the same to me. Everything I learn is JKD to me.

if u knew anything about muay thai u would know mt also has tons of dirty tricks, sweeps, and strictly self defense techniques in addition to what u see being done in the ring.

[m.artist]

And just a little side note, alot of the jun fan kicks come from french savate so, they are still really good.

[Rank7]

yes the kicks they have i would say are more direct than a muay thai kick.
both jun fan and muay thai have the same tork in their kicks near the end. jun fan is more about speed rather than power as muay thai does.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

I've been focusing almost solely on Muay Thai these days.
Definitely Muay Thai.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Rank7

yes the kicks they have i would say are more direct than a muay thai kick.
both jun fan and muay thai have the same tork in their kicks near the end. jun fan is more about speed rather than power as muay thai does.

I disagree.
Let's talk low kicks...
Jun Fan kicks come from wing chun as well as the other arts, JKD, some types of Karate....etc...
But the general Jun Fan idea is to limit kicks to below the waist and to use the closest weapon to the target, to break down the base, and to foil an offensive tactic or set up a progression of some sort. This mentality is similar in many instances to Wing chun kicking...

Thai kicks are MUCH more powerful, and target muscle groups in the legs (and the nerve systems thereof, viz. the sciatic nerve) or the hinge joint in the back of the leg... Either leg is used, not the closest tool.

Jun Fan uses speed to cram or stuff an approach or to steal a few beats to set up more strikes, sure a lead low side kick to the knee cap with the idealistic proper angulation and force applied can seriously **** up the opponent and perhaps end the fight...it's not easy or practical, and cannot be relied upon in a fight. The real use of Jun Fan kicks is to set things up and to break down the base...so that other tools can be used to their maximum efficiency. Jun Fan kicks are set-ups.

thai kicks are used to disable the legs and cause the accumulation of pain, or cause welts and bruises so bad the opponent has to limp, or even break the leg, again with the proper ideallic angulation and power applied. Thai kicks are power strikes.

It's like comparing a jab to a smashing left hook.