Jkd Grappling

Rank7 · 03-28-2005, 05:51 AM

Can some one explain what this consist of?

JKDBerlin · 03-28-2005, 08:45 AM

Hmm...it depends.

If you are looking at the original "36 moves", they might look like some modified Judo and JiuJitsu.
Sifu Larry Hartsell's JKD Grappling changed over the time from a lot of different approaches like Wrestling, Catch-as-Catch-can, Silat to Shooto and BJJ and Erik Paulson's CSW ... Just to name a few.
It usually describes Grappling for the street or self-defense scenarios, but it consists also of a lot of sport grappling, depending on the instructor.

Greetings

Rank7 · 04-03-2005, 04:52 AM

have you worked on those 36 moves? has any one . whats the feedback on it,

SiY · 04-03-2005, 06:17 PM

My instructer has been taught under Erik Paulson so i think most of our grappling stems from his style. But is that shooto?

doubleouch · 04-04-2005, 11:06 AM

Erik's style is a mixed bag of shooto and BJJ, and other stuff.

BeingAtOne · 04-08-2005, 05:27 AM

I myself would like to know more about these 36 moves for myself and out of curiousity does anyone know where i could get some info on them?

JKDBerlin · 04-08-2005, 05:58 AM

Guro Dan Inosanto, Sifu Larry Hartsell...

Grüsse

BeingAtOne · 04-08-2005, 05:49 PM

I was thinking more like a book or websites or articles things of that nature i went to my instructer and he only remebered a litle of it he mainly went with BBJ.

NickL · 04-09-2005, 08:12 PM

Taking a look at the book "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" will give you a good idea of what early jkd grappling was. I think Gene Labell said Bruce Lee was more interested in the finishing holds than how to actually get to the point of applying the finishing holds when he was teaching Lee some grappling techniques. This would explain the lack of grappling theory and set ups, escapes, etc. in Lee's notes. I remember reading somewhere that Lee told Hartsell to invetigate Indian wrestling techniques and training, because they had a lot to offer.

Tant01 · 04-10-2005, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BeingAtOne

I was thinking more like a book or websites or articles things of that nature i went to my instructer and he only remebered a litle of it he mainly went with BBJ.

Mr. Hartsell came out with his book JKD Entering to Trapping to Grappling, published in 1984 (ISBN 0-86568-051-5) then he and Mr. Tackett worked together on JKD vol.2 Counterattack! Grappling Counters and Reversals which was published in 1987. (ISBN 0-86568-081-7)

Do you Google?

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m.artist · 04-10-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rank7

Can some one explain what this consist of?

Well I know Guro Dan Inosanto recently got his bb in BJJ and is in love with that art. If he see's a mat, then he wants to grapple. It's great stuff. So i know the grappling we do consists of bjj, and alot of it comes from silat. There is some of the modern judo stuff but alot of it is from silat and kali. At least that's all i've experienced at warriors way so far

Tant01 · 04-10-2005, 12:23 PM

Interesting point about silat if you think Judo is "new". Back in the mid 1960's Donn Draeger himself introduced several judo throws to the founder of Bhakti Negara, Ida Bagus Oka Dinwangkara. These are a few of the Judo techniques you will find in modern Pentjak Silat.

Osoto-gari, osoto-otoshi (-gake, -guruma), Kouchi-gari, Kouchi-gake, Ippon seoi-nage...
Not to mention the shime, atemi and kansetsu waza...Very interesting similarities.

m.artist · 04-10-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tant01

Interesting point about silat if you think Judo is "new". Back in the mid 1960's Donn Draeger himself introduced several judo throws to the founder of Bhakti Negara, Ida Bagus Oka Dinwangkara. These are a few of the Judo techniques you will find in modern Pentjak Silat.

Osoto-gari, osoto-otoshi (-gake, -guruma), Kouchi-gari, Kouchi-gake, Ippon seoi-nage...
Not to mention the shime, atemi and kansetsu waza...Very interesting similarities.

Whoa whoa whao now. I didn't say judo was new. I said some of the more modern judo techniques. That's different
And yes, there are similarities between judo and Silat, but i doubt they came from one another. The guys on either side probably figured it out for themselves. Im trying to think, pentjak Silat is the mixture of the dutch-indonesian right?

Tant01 · 04-10-2005, 02:36 PM

Olympic style Judo came about in 1964, Goshin Jutsu in 1956 and the Kodokan in 1882.

Heck, it is still "new". It's all relative.... Bhakti Negara silat was started in 1955 according to Draeger it is a mixed martial art developed from earlier styles of pentjak silat, blended with more modern Japanese Ju-jutsu, aikido and karate-do AS WELL AS WESTERN BOXING tactics...

EGstudent · 04-10-2005, 05:32 PM

It consists of 36 original moves but Sifu Larry Hartsell has added a lot to it. He founded the JKD Grappling Association. His books give you a basic idea of JKD Grappling. check it out if you haven't already

03-28-2005, 05:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
Rank7 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 45	Jkd Grappling Can some one explain what this consist of?

03-28-2005, 08:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
JKDBerlin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Berlin / Germany Posts: 117	Hmm...it depends. If you are looking at the original "36 moves", they might look like some modified Judo and JiuJitsu. Sifu Larry Hartsell's JKD Grappling changed over the time from a lot of different approaches like Wrestling, Catch-as-Catch-can, Silat to Shooto and BJJ and Erik Paulson's CSW ... Just to name a few. It usually describes Grappling for the street or self-defense scenarios, but it consists also of a lot of sport grappling, depending on the instructor. Greetings __________________ Frank Burczynski J.A.B. JKD Akademie Berlin + IMAG e.V. http://www.jkdberlin.de "Harder - Faster - More Intention" http://www.kampfkunst-board.info Das deutsche Kampfkunstboard Last edited by JKDBerlin; 03-28-2005 at 08:46 AM. Reason: mistakes...

04-08-2005, 05:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
BeingAtOne Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88	Interesting I myself would like to know more about these 36 moves for myself and out of curiousity does anyone know where i could get some info on them?

04-08-2005, 05:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
JKDBerlin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Berlin / Germany Posts: 117	Guro Dan Inosanto, Sifu Larry Hartsell... Grüsse __________________ Frank Burczynski J.A.B. JKD Akademie Berlin + IMAG e.V. http://www.jkdberlin.de "Harder - Faster - More Intention" http://www.kampfkunst-board.info Das deutsche Kampfkunstboard

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Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,817	Interesting point about silat if you think Judo is "new". Back in the mid 1960's Donn Draeger himself introduced several judo throws to the founder of Bhakti Negara, Ida Bagus Oka Dinwangkara. These are a few of the Judo techniques you will find in modern Pentjak Silat. Osoto-gari, osoto-otoshi (-gake, -guruma), Kouchi-gari, Kouchi-gake, Ippon seoi-nage... Not to mention the shime, atemi and kansetsu waza...Very interesting similarities. __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

04-03-2005, 04:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Rank7 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 45	have you worked on those 36 moves? has any one . whats the feedback on it,

04-03-2005, 06:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
SiY Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: England, Lancashire. Posts: 24	My instructer has been taught under Erik Paulson so i think most of our grappling stems from his style. But is that shooto?

04-04-2005, 11:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
doubleouch Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: portland, or Posts: 417	Erik's style is a mixed bag of shooto and BJJ, and other stuff.

04-08-2005, 05:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
BeingAtOne Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88	I was thinking more like a book or websites or articles things of that nature i went to my instructer and he only remebered a litle of it he mainly went with BBJ.

04-09-2005, 08:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
NickL Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18	Taking a look at the book "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" will give you a good idea of what early jkd grappling was. I think Gene Labell said Bruce Lee was more interested in the finishing holds than how to actually get to the point of applying the finishing holds when he was teaching Lee some grappling techniques. This would explain the lack of grappling theory and set ups, escapes, etc. in Lee's notes. I remember reading somewhere that Lee told Hartsell to invetigate Indian wrestling techniques and training, because they had a lot to offer.

04-10-2005, 02:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,817	Olympic style Judo came about in 1964, Goshin Jutsu in 1956 and the Kodokan in 1882. Heck, it is still "new". It's all relative.... Bhakti Negara silat was started in 1955 according to Draeger it is a mixed martial art developed from earlier styles of pentjak silat, blended with more modern Japanese Ju-jutsu, aikido and karate-do AS WELL AS WESTERN BOXING tactics... __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

04-10-2005, 05:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
EGstudent Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 80	It consists of 36 original moves but Sifu Larry Hartsell has added a lot to it. He founded the JKD Grappling Association. His books give you a basic idea of JKD Grappling. check it out if you haven't already

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