The Haymaker Punch

**Hardball** · 07-01-2005, 01:36 PM

Some call it a "Cold Cock", Some call it a "Sucker Punch" and some may say you got "Stole" but whatever you call it, the first blow or Bruce Lees' {r} principle of "Initial Speed" can be the deciding factor in a multiple attack situation. Anybody here ever been "Banked" or "Jumped"? The Haymaker may be your best friend. If you think you are doomed in a multiple attack situation then you are; change your attitude. If you are well trained and in shape...............you may be able to Sucker Punch yourself to safety.

Ahoym8e · 07-01-2005, 03:09 PM

suckerpunch not= haymaker

a suckerpunch is an unprovoked surprise offensive punch of any type (could be hook, cross, anything)

a haymaker is a wide swinging punch usually involving a big windup. it's what you see in most streetfight videos...

**Hardball** · 07-01-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahoym8e

suckerpunch not= haymaker

a suckerpunch is an unprovoked surprise offensive punch of any type (could be hook, cross, anything)

a haymaker is a wide swinging punch usually involving a big windup. it's what you see in most streetfight videos...

Keep on living and one day you will see a sucker punch haymaker.

Blue Wave Gym · 07-01-2005, 04:41 PM

somantics here guys, if a haymaker is defined as a punch with wind up that you can see coming then by definition the fact that you can see it coming i.e. the person cocks their arm back like a fucking moron renders it not a sucker punch,fight commentators call many unorthodox punches"haymakers" so there may be some confusion, in any event telegraphing your intent to your opponent unless your doing a.b.d or feinting/bluffing i.e. drawing hand back for haymaker drawing his attention to your arm then you either punch him with the other hand or kick him in the balls for example.

**Hardball** · 07-01-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

somantics here guys, if a haymaker is defined as a punch with wind up that you can see coming then by definition the fact that you can see it coming i.e. the person cocks their arm back like a fucking moron renders it not a sucker punch,fight commentators call many unorthodox punches"haymakers" so there may be some confusion, in any vent telegraphing your intent to your opponent unless your doing a.b.d or feinting/bluffing i.e. drawing hand back for haymaker drawing his attention to your arm then you either punch him with the other hand or kick him in the balls for example.

Man, you are hilarious..............................

NickL · 07-02-2005, 02:23 AM

A haymaker is a big hooking punch, not a tight boxing hook mind you. Watch any old western and you will see a haymaker. A sucker punch is given to anyone unsuspecting of a punch. I could be sitting at a table talking to my friends and you come up and punch my lights out without warning, this is a sucker punch. You can definately sucker punch with a haymaker for beter or worse. I've been suckered and it sucks. Haymakers are easy to counter if you knoiw they ae coming.

Freedom · 07-03-2005, 09:42 AM

Yes they can be the same thing. I had this guy at my school (academic not MA) who was a great laugh but always got himself into fights. He was a big fat guy with no balance and he threw enormous stiff-arm haymakers. All you had to do was stand inside of the punch and most the force was taken away from him. One time he took a swing at someone and they ducked and he spun himself round and collapsed in a heep on the ground. Funny as FCUK!

**HtTKar** · 07-08-2005, 01:46 AM

A sucker punch is also when an orthodox fighter leads with their right hand. (unorthodox visa-versa), whether provoked or not. I guess it could be someone sneaking up on you and punching you in the back of the head, but the point is....they lead with their power; you'd have to be a sucker to get hit with that.

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If you are well trained and in shape...............you may be able to Sucker Punch yourself to safety.

Are you joking? Are you quoting someone? I would think that you couldnt possibly believe this, but you started the thread saying sucker-punch yourself to safety.

**Hardball** · 07-08-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HtTKar

A sucker punch is also when an orthodox fighter leads with their right hand. (unorthodox visa-versa), whether provoked or not. I guess it could be someone sneaking up on you and punching you in the back of the head, but the point is....they lead with their power; you'd have to be a sucker to get hit with that.

Are you joking? Are you quoting someone? I would think that you couldnt possibly believe this, but you started the thread saying sucker-punch yourself to safety.

It's just old school bullshit. We used to do this kind of stuff back in the 60's and 70's. You new school fighters know all of this high tech stuff. Anybody over 40 on this thread might understand.

Tant01 · 07-08-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardball

It's just old school bullshit. We used to do this kind of stuff back in the 60's and 70's.

You new school fighters know all of this high tech stuff. Anybody over 40 on this thread might understand.

LOL "sucker" looking for the airplane, failed to spot the submarine.

How about a sucker kick?

I saw that one coming from a mile away.

**Hardball** · 07-09-2005, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tant01

LOL "sucker" looking for the airplane, failed to spot the submarine.

How about a sucker kick?

I saw that one coming from a mile away.

LOL..................as long as you aren't a MC Dojo Kicker, a sucker kicks works fine...................It's funny how this thread had turned to Humor. LOL

Tant01 · 07-09-2005, 10:15 AM

We could fight about what defines a "sucker" punch? When my brother and I were kids he got mad enough to punch me on more than one occasion (and vice verse). A haymaker with the big wind up can still be a "sucker" punch. Just walk up behind any unsuspecting victim and tap them on the shoulder. As they turn around you wind up with the big looping "haymaker" and punch the sucker.... If you time it right he should turn his jaw right into your fist. And they even turn in the direction of the shoulder you touch almost every time!

But don't take my word for it.... That might make you a "sucker" LOL

**Hardball** · 07-09-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tant01

We could fight about what defines a "sucker" punch? When my brother and I were kids he got mad enough to punch me on more than one occasion (and vice verse). A haymaker with the big wind up can still be a "sucker" punch. Just walk up behind any unsuspecting victim and tap them on the shoulder. As they turn around you wind up with the big looping "haymaker" and punch the sucker.... If you time it right he should turn his jaw right into your fist. And they even turn in the direction of the shoulder you touch almost every time!

But don't take my word for it.... That might make you a "sucker" LOL

Most sucker punches I've seen in my lifetime happened on the Basketball Court. Someone is going up for a layup and Blam, right in the mouth. Usually for hacking too hard or something that happened earlier in the game.

Tant01 · 07-09-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardball

Most sucker punches I've seen in my lifetime happened on the Basketball Court. Someone is going up for a layup and Blam, right in the mouth. Usually for hacking too hard or something that happened earlier in the game.

Oh, No... You've got to be more discreet about it. Use an elbow or a head butt. At least it looks like it might have been an accident that way!

No blood no foul, ball. That's good stuff.

**Hardball** · 07-09-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tant01

Oh, No... You've got to be more discreet about it. Use an elbow or a head butt. At least it looks like it might have been an accident that way!

No blood no foul, ball. That's good stuff.

Old Skool had No Tact; new Skool got tact and diplomacy. I even remember when Wilt Chamberlain Sucker punched Kareem Abdul Jabbar once. Ouch, no warning just Blam!!!!

07-01-2005, 01:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,325 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Haymaker Punch Some call it a "Cold Cock", Some call it a "Sucker Punch" and some may say you got "Stole" but whatever you call it, the first blow or Bruce Lees' {r} principle of "Initial Speed" can be the deciding factor in a multiple attack situation. Anybody here ever been "Banked" or "Jumped"? The Haymaker may be your best friend. If you think you are doomed in a multiple attack situation then you are; change your attitude. If you are well trained and in shape...............you may be able to Sucker Punch yourself to safety. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Mike Brewers 2008 Sit up challenge 45,000/100,000 running balance.(Crunches) Kicks 6,300/100,000

07-01-2005, 03:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ahoym8e Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 354 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	suckerpunch not= haymaker a suckerpunch is an unprovoked surprise offensive punch of any type (could be hook, cross, anything) a haymaker is a wide swinging punch usually involving a big windup. it's what you see in most streetfight videos... __________________ Team Skinny White Boy

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Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hmm somantics here guys, if a haymaker is defined as a punch with wind up that you can see coming then by definition the fact that you can see it coming i.e. the person cocks their arm back like a fucking moron renders it not a sucker punch,fight commentators call many unorthodox punches"haymakers" so there may be some confusion, in any event telegraphing your intent to your opponent unless your doing a.b.d or feinting/bluffing i.e. drawing hand back for haymaker drawing his attention to your arm then you either punch him with the other hand or kick him in the balls for example. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

07-03-2005, 09:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
Freedom Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maggie's Farm Posts: 85 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes they can be the same thing. I had this guy at my school (academic not MA) who was a great laugh but always got himself into fights. He was a big fat guy with no balance and he threw enormous stiff-arm haymakers. All you had to do was stand inside of the punch and most the force was taken away from him. One time he took a swing at someone and they ducked and he spun himself round and collapsed in a heep on the ground. Funny as FCUK! __________________ "If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always gotten" - Krause Bros. "Forever trust in who you are, and nothing else matters" - Metallica

07-09-2005, 10:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,936 Groans: 0 Groaned at 6 Times in 4 Posts	We could fight about what defines a "sucker" punch? When my brother and I were kids he got mad enough to punch me on more than one occasion (and vice verse). A haymaker with the big wind up can still be a "sucker" punch. Just walk up behind any unsuspecting victim and tap them on the shoulder. As they turn around you wind up with the big looping "haymaker" and punch the sucker.... If you time it right he should turn his jaw right into your fist. And they even turn in the direction of the shoulder you touch almost every time! But don't take my word for it.... That might make you a "sucker" LOL __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

07-02-2005, 02:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
NickL Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	A haymaker is a big hooking punch, not a tight boxing hook mind you. Watch any old western and you will see a haymaker. A sucker punch is given to anyone unsuspecting of a punch. I could be sitting at a table talking to my friends and you come up and punch my lights out without warning, this is a sucker punch. You can definately sucker punch with a haymaker for beter or worse. I've been suckered and it sucks. Haymakers are easy to counter if you knoiw they ae coming.

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