The Ultimate in Martial Arts

cfr · 07-27-2005, 04:26 PM

Howdy all. My instructor and I were discussing ranges last night. Im more comfortable fighting in close (punches not requiring a step in/ elbows/ knees) as opposed to far back. I would tend to go in rather than back if I needed to adjust distance. However, I know that some people would rather stay as far out as possible. For a step in to be needed to punch. Now I will be the first to say...

1; My experience in MA's is pretty limited.
2; My experience in sparring is VERY limited.

because of these things, my views may change overy time, which is fine with me if other things work better.

So, wheres your comfort zone? Why? Do you spar better in one range than another? Why?

Tant01 · 07-27-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cfr

Howdy all. My instructor and I were discussing ranges last night. ......

So, wheres your comfort zone? Why? Do you spar better in one range than another? Why?

Interesting question.

For some time (about two decades) I have held the opinion that there are really only two "ranges" in a fight. You're either IN or not. It's a rather binary perspective

The academic study of fighting theory is all well and good but the average engagement is brief and the "gap" gets closed. The kicking, punching range get crashed through in the blink of an eye and it becomes a clinch game. I like grappling range....It smothers his attack and gives you the opportunity to use throws, chokes, and limb destruction techniques.

Not saying you need to get on the ground with the guy and wrestle with him though...

I prefer the enhanced mobility of the upright posture and my attacker(s) on the deck.

elementaldrive · 07-28-2005, 01:13 AM

i try not to get more comfortable in than out but i like inside work better...trapping and three inch blasts

**HtTKar** · 07-28-2005, 06:09 AM

I guess I would have to say inside. I find that when I'm really under pressure I move in and attack. I have to pay attention to that. I'm also usually shorter than my opponents so being inside limits their attacks while allowing me to use mine. By being in, I dont mean just moving forward. I like to stay off to their side to limit their attacks to one side, and keep moving to keep them guessing. Mike called it the Knights move once...whatever its called; thats where I prefer to be.

elementaldrive · 07-28-2005, 06:15 AM

i have a tendency to close quickly and go for either a joint lock submission (wrist, elbow and shoulder) or project them (or myself?) outside giving center line.

elementaldrive · 07-28-2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HtTKar

I guess I would have to say inside. I find that when I'm really under pressure I move in and attack. I have to pay attention to that. I'm also usually shorter than my opponents so being inside limits their attacks while allowing me to use mine. By being in, I dont mean just moving forward. I like to stay off to their side to limit their attacks to one side, and keep moving to keep them guessing. Mike called it the Knights move once...whatever its called; thats where I prefer to be.

like constantly moving toward their back or just circling?

Freedom · 07-28-2005, 12:46 PM

I prefer long range as i'm 6'4" and so i have a long reach with both my arms and legs. i also have a pretty good side kick if i may say so myself

This of course only really applies in sparring, as most street fights won't allow for long range trading.

Blue Wave Gym · 07-28-2005, 02:42 PM

I'm 6' 1" or 6' 2" but since i'm a natural heavy weight everyone that I've fought is either my size or bigger. i lke to kep a person on the end of my jab and offline him and use angles to make him fire and miss basicaly a continual disengaugement then when I see an opening I'll put a cross or hook on him

elementaldrive · 07-28-2005, 02:47 PM

i gotcha. kinda almost like lennox louis uses his jab right?

Tant01 · 07-28-2005, 06:55 PM

We all know I mean between his arms by "inside" right? It's not another range of combat but a relative position.

The knights move is basic footwork to get into position to deliver your attack on the outside. It still closes the gap and gets you in the proper range to strike but it's not directly in front of him or from between his own arms. You would technically be outside as I understand it...

**HtTKar** · 07-29-2005, 07:41 AM

Behind his lead elbow, off to the side. He would have to turn in order to attack, while I can still either uppercut into his guard, attack his legs, or attack his side/back. Everytime he tries to turn I can either shift or attack. If I play it right, I can stay in that range for a while keeping him busy. Sometimes I'll take a good beating getting there. I havent figured out how to always get into that range at will, but when I'm there I know it. I can attack with all my limbs, while he can barely attack at all, and has to either back way off, or turn into my attacks to get out of my range.

I dont know how to explain ranges very well I guess. I dont find it as simple as either being close or being far away. There are too many angles. all I'm saying is I prefer being close enough to hit them with elbows and knees, while limiting their attacks.

elementaldrive · 07-29-2005, 12:02 PM

which side do you prefer to present. what side to you lead with?

Sensei Saki · 07-29-2005, 12:02 PM

The
red one, I think.That's an interesting question. I'll come back to that in a minute.

A deeper algorithm is needed to respond to that correctly.

07-27-2005, 04:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
cfr Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 85 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wheres your comfort zone? Howdy all. My instructor and I were discussing ranges last night. Im more comfortable fighting in close (punches not requiring a step in/ elbows/ knees) as opposed to far back. I would tend to go in rather than back if I needed to adjust distance. However, I know that some people would rather stay as far out as possible. For a step in to be needed to punch. Now I will be the first to say... 1; My experience in MA's is pretty limited. 2; My experience in sparring is VERY limited. because of these things, my views may change overy time, which is fine with me if other things work better. So, wheres your comfort zone? Why? Do you spar better in one range than another? Why?

07-28-2005, 01:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
elementaldrive Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: louisiana Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	my comfort zone i try not to get more comfortable in than out but i like inside work better...trapping and three inch blasts

07-28-2005, 06:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
HtTKar Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Outer limits Posts: 1,089 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I guess I would have to say inside. I find that when I'm really under pressure I move in and attack. I have to pay attention to that. I'm also usually shorter than my opponents so being inside limits their attacks while allowing me to use mine. By being in, I dont mean just moving forward. I like to stay off to their side to limit their attacks to one side, and keep moving to keep them guessing. Mike called it the Knights move once...whatever its called; thats where I prefer to be. __________________ "The harder you train, the harder it is to surrender" (Vince Lombardi)

07-28-2005, 06:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
elementaldrive Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: louisiana Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	correction...now that i think about it i have a tendency to close quickly and go for either a joint lock submission (wrist, elbow and shoulder) or project them (or myself?) outside giving center line.

07-28-2005, 12:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Freedom Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maggie's Farm Posts: 85 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I prefer long range as i'm 6'4" and so i have a long reach with both my arms and legs. i also have a pretty good side kick if i may say so myself This of course only really applies in sparring, as most street fights won't allow for long range trading. __________________ "If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always gotten" - Krause Bros. "Forever trust in who you are, and nothing else matters" - Metallica

07-28-2005, 02:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 965 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lol I'm 6' 1" or 6' 2" but since i'm a natural heavy weight everyone that I've fought is either my size or bigger. i lke to kep a person on the end of my jab and offline him and use angles to make him fire and miss basicaly a continual disengaugement then when I see an opening I'll put a cross or hook on him __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

07-28-2005, 02:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
elementaldrive Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: louisiana Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	i gotcha. kinda almost like lennox louis uses his jab right?

07-28-2005, 06:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 5,935 Groans: 0 Groaned at 15 Times in 10 Posts	We all know I mean between his arms by "inside" right? It's not another range of combat but a relative position. The knights move is basic footwork to get into position to deliver your attack on the outside. It still closes the gap and gets you in the proper range to strike but it's not directly in front of him or from between his own arms. You would technically be outside as I understand it... __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

07-29-2005, 07:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
HtTKar Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Outer limits Posts: 1,089 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Behind his lead elbow, off to the side. He would have to turn in order to attack, while I can still either uppercut into his guard, attack his legs, or attack his side/back. Everytime he tries to turn I can either shift or attack. If I play it right, I can stay in that range for a while keeping him busy. Sometimes I'll take a good beating getting there. I havent figured out how to always get into that range at will, but when I'm there I know it. I can attack with all my limbs, while he can barely attack at all, and has to either back way off, or turn into my attacks to get out of my range. I dont know how to explain ranges very well I guess. I dont find it as simple as either being close or being far away. There are too many angles. all I'm saying is I prefer being close enough to hit them with elbows and knees, while limiting their attacks. __________________ "The harder you train, the harder it is to surrender" (Vince Lombardi)

07-29-2005, 12:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
elementaldrive Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: louisiana Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	which side do you prefer to present. what side to you lead with?

07-29-2005, 12:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sensei Saki "Endless Wisdom" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 781 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The red one, I think.That's an interesting question. I'll come back to that in a minute. A deeper algorithm is needed to respond to that correctly.

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