JKD vs Krav Maga?

[aku aku]

Hello,

Is anyone familiar with Krav Maga? Could you describe some of the similarities and differences in technique/training/philosophy?

Thanks.

[Cyclops]

Have trained in Krav and although there is a JKD instructor as well at my school, I have not had the chance to train in JKD but from what he tells me, the two are somewhat similar. The main difference from what I understand are more or less the trainign methods.
As for the philisophy>? Use what works, discard what doesn't. don't get hit, fight dirty.

[Sensei Saki]

I've never thought about have trained in Krav and although there is a JKD instructor as well at my school I have not had the chance to train in JKD but from what he tells me the two are somewhat similar.What are your goals in life?What is your real name?How old are you? Then what is it?I am not trying to get hit fight dirty.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by aku aku

Hello,

Is anyone familiar with Krav Maga? Could you describe some of the similarities and differences in technique/training/philosophy?

Thanks.

In my opinion, Krav Maga is WANNABE bullshit, full of traditional martial arts techniques. The only thing original about krav maga, is their approach to stopping suicide bombers. The rest is traditional martial arts disguised as a new invention. Bullshit.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Hardball

In my opinion, Krav Maga is WANNABE bullshit, full of traditional martial arts techniques. The only thing original about krav maga, is their approach to stopping suicide bombers. The rest is traditional martial arts disguised as a new invention. Bullshit.

"Hardball"
You have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing traditional in KM I was a stident of TMA for quite awhile. Sorry no relation to KM. Of course sonce you havent really made any points and came off with alot of broad generalizations with no facts to back it up and on top of that came off as a ranting A**hole.
Obbviously there is not much experience or intellignece there to have a mature discussion with.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

"Hardball"
You have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing traditional in KM I was a stident of TMA for quite awhile. Sorry no relation to KM. Of course sonce you havent really made any points and came off with alot of broad generalizations with no facts to back it up and on top of that came off as a ranting A**hole.
Obbviously there is not much experience or intellignece there to have a mature discussion with.

I can see by your profile that you are a fan of Krav Maga. Sorry, dude, didn't mean to come off as a flame thrower but KM is really no different from other martial arts systems. Nothing original. Don't take it personal. Normally it's Tae Kwon Do that gets dissed. Ha Ha

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Hardball

I can see by your profile that you are a fan of Krav Maga. Sorry, dude, didn't mean to come off as a flame thrower but KM is really no different from other martial arts systems. Nothing original. Don't take it personal. Normally it's Tae Kwon Do that gets dissed. Ha Ha

I dont take anything personal here. Obviously you have never studied KM Or you would make such a claim. Also you would be informed enough to give some examples of what you base you opinion on which you havent done. Also you havent even been able to stay on topic and add to the origional poster's question which makes me think you have even less credibility and are pretty much a troll.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

I dont take anything personal here. Obviously you have never studied KM Or you would make such a claim. Also you would be informed enough to give some examples of what you base you opinion on which you havent done. Also you havent even been able to stay on topic and add to the origional poster's question which makes me think you have even less credibility and are pretty much a troll.

Dude, I am no troll. Tae Kwon Do, Wing Chun and Shotokan are badly critizied here on a regular basis. What makes you think Krav Maga is immune to criticisim? Be a man and keep a cool head, If you want an intellectual discussion---just name a half dozen km techniques that are original and not borrowed from traditional styles.

[aku aku]

Originally Posted by Hardball

Dude, I am no troll. Tae Kwon Do, Wing Chun and Shotokan are badly critizied here on a regular basis. What makes you think Krav Maga is immune to criticisim?

Could you describe your background with krav maga and why you came away with such a negative opinion? What is the training like? What do you think are the technical or strategic flaws? What is their position on physical conditioning? What kind of sparring do they do? Is there an obvious gap in their training that shouldn't be there? Were the classes unproductive social events? Details would be helpful.

---just name a half dozen km techniques that are original and not borrowed from traditional styles.

To be fair, nothing is original. Everything was influenced by something. Even JKD doesn't have anything you won't find other places. I do think that some groups have a better approach to training than others though.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by aku aku

To be fair, nothing is original. Everything was influenced by something. Even JKD doesn't have anything you won't find other places. I do think that some groups have a better approach to training than others though.

That is my point. Not that km is not a good system, but they try and push the fact that they created the system with original techniques. It's not original, it is borrowed but the km people wanna shove it down our throats as original. Wing Chun, shotokan and tae kwon do all get criticisim. Why not Krav Maga? It's not k.m. it the people who promote and sell it.

[aku aku]

Originally Posted by Hardball

That is my point. Not that km is not a good system, but they try and push the fact that they created the system with original techniques. It's not original, it is borrowed but the km people wanna shove it down our throats as original. Wing Chun, shotokan and tae kwon do all get criticisim. Why not Krav Maga? It's not k.m. it the people who promote and sell it.

So it's the marketing you have a problem with? I guess I don't know much about how it's been marketed.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by aku aku

So it's the marketing you have a problem with? I guess I don't know much about how it's been marketed.

Yep, you got it.

Bowing Out

[Cyclops]

Actually hardball I felt it was you that didnt start out with a cool head, I refer you to your first post in this thread. I admit maybe I shouldn't have responded the way I did as well because why should I go to that level? Since you were the one who made statements about its techniques, why not answer the question that was posed and tell us what exactly in KM you have experience with? The you could make your point. YOu havent up to this poiint backed up any of your statements.
The various points of reference as we call them in Krav are very unique to the style for example. Take the simple choke defense. regardless of whether its front or side, the technique involved brings the attacker to the point of reference where one hand is still pinned to the defenders body, the defenders hand keeps the attackers head at a cerain distance towards the ground, keeping him off balance and allowing the defender to knee strike and kick the attacker in the head and groin pretty much at will with little chance that the origional attacker can re-attack. Also the defense against straight punches in KM are very dissimiliar to the defenses I have been exposed to in TMA, alot less blocking towards the outside and more of an inside slap/counterpunch.
Knife defense from the front also, brings the attacker to same point of reference. ( I may not have described it well but difficult without showing or illustrating) Our trainign methods are vastly different as well in my experience from TMA as well as our philosopy towards seld defense. WE also don't bother with any high kicks or flashy kicks they tend to be more similar to kicks you would see in Thai fighting than TMA. I could go on. anyway. As far as you saying people like to bash TKD, etc. I personally have never been one of those people on here and never will be. I never bash styles. I may not agree with all of them or like all of them, but never bash them.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by aku aku

So it's the marketing you have a problem with? I guess I don't know much about how it's been marketed.

Well honestly, as far as marketing goes I don't think their is any martial art out there that hasnt been marketed in way we dont always agree with.
AS far as KM goes or any art for that matter. One can't make broad statements about it with out actually studying it for yourself.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Actually hardball I felt it was you that didnt start out with a cool head, I refer you to your first post in this thread. I admit maybe I shouldn't have responded the way I did as well because why should I go to that level? Since you were the one who made statements about its techniques, why not answer the question that was posed and tell us what exactly in KM you have experience with? The you could make your point. YOu havent up to this poiint backed up any of your statements.
The various points of reference as we call them in Krav are very unique to the style for example. Take the simple choke defense. regardless of whether its front or side, the technique involved brings the attacker to the point of reference where one hand is still pinned to the defenders body, the defenders hand keeps the attackers head at a cerain distance towards the ground, keeping him off balance and allowing the defender to knee strike and kick the attacker in the head and groin pretty much at will with little chance that the origional attacker can re-attack. Also the defense against straight punches in KM are very dissimiliar to the defenses I have been exposed to in TMA, alot less blocking towards the outside and more of an inside slap/counterpunch.
Knife defense from the front also, brings the attacker to same point of reference. ( I may not have described it well but difficult without showing or illustrating) Our trainign methods are vastly different as well in my experience from TMA as well as our philosopy towards seld defense. WE also don't bother with any high kicks or flashy kicks they tend to be more similar to kicks you would see in Thai fighting than TMA. I could go on. anyway. As far as you saying people like to bash TKD, etc. I personally have never been one of those people on here and never will be. I never bash styles. I may not agree with all of them or like all of them, but never bash them.

You just described my wing chun class.

I'm not gonna diss k.m., I believe there are not any bad styles of martial art, every style is useful and everyone thinks their style is the best. Peace be with you and practice hard and everyday.