JKD to the individual?

[KitEskrima]

Hi I just wanted to know what JKD means to each individual. To me it meant exposing me to different styles and being open minded about Martial Arts

Kit
http://kittomainia.blogspot.com/

[elitecombatives]

For someone who calls themselves a JKD man/women, they should have been exposed, trained and validated through a ligit -verifiable source (whether it be Dan Inosanto, Jerry Poteet, Ted Wong, Chris Kent.........etc) in that they have been taught at minimum, foundation and necessary tools along with the philosophy / principles.

All others are just believers and followers of the 'concepts' and use it in their exploration through combative arts. THIS IS CALL Mixed Martial Arts. -not JKD. NOTHING wrong with that though because using JKD's ideas in their own training will NO Doubt Make you better. It's wrong when people claim they are JKD'rs just through books. It's ok from that level but many bad apples just go further and start schools and federations claiming they are an authority. Ask yourself this question..."would you go to a doctor who studied some medical books at home /videos and then claim to be a Certified Medical Doctor?"

Just think, if I am not somewhat valid in my point ...... we can and already see many JKD frauds claiming to teach it and start schools. To use the JKD name in vain....*sigh* just terrible.

JKD to me is this (my 2 cents)

[KitEskrima]

Hi from the training I received ,my mind is open to all Martial Arts. This is because JKD exposed me to lots of different Martial Arts. The lineage in my training leads to Guro Dan Inosanto. My instructor is Steve Powell in the UK who was trained by Rick Young who was trained by Rick Faye(who I also had the pleasure of training under) who was trained by Guro Inosanto.

Thats my own opinion on JKD that it has exposed me to different Martial Arts and lucky to have trained with Steve Powell and Rick Faye,I just wanted people's opinion on what it meant to them in a positive way. But your points are valid EliteCombatatives about frauds however I was looking for something more positive rather than discussing what is and what isn't.



Kit

[elitecombatives]

KitEscrima,
although sounding negative to many, it should truly only raise eyebrowse for those who are true frauds of the art.

In anycase, it's just an opinon - ....here's a more different way to put my opinion minus the other stuff --->>
JKD is a vehicle to personal development through training of our mind-body and spirit. Honoring Bruce properly and your JKD instructors (in your case > Faye, Powell, Inosanto) teachings.

[robertlee]

JKD to the individual. Should be learning the art as passed down By Bruce. Then taking what you have learned. And work on applying it with resistive opponents. From that you learn what will work well for you. from the core training. JKD should not mean never had real instruction. And put this and that art together.And now its JKD. because it is not. May be concepts there of. . JKD is each persons use of what they have learned. Then if instructing it should reamin the base line Of JKD for others to learn and use. Saying that. All arts are the same. You take what you can use to make it yours. And each art is just delivery method of use. NO set way to do A person finds that out. From just doing.

[Maidenfan]

Originally Posted by robertlee

JKD to the individual. Should be learning the art as passed down By Bruce. Then taking what you have learned. And work on applying it with resistive opponents. From that you learn what will work well for you. from the core training. JKD should not mean never had real instruction. And put this and that art together.And now its JKD. because it is not. May be concepts there of. . JKD is each persons use of what they have learned. Then if instructing it should reamin the base line Of JKD for others to learn and use. Saying that. All arts are the same. You take what you can use to make it yours. And each art is just delivery method of use. NO set way to do A person finds that out. From just doing.

Learn to use g'damn punctuation! wtf are all those periods doing in there! Starting a sentence with 'and' when almost every "sentence" is a friggin' fragment or run on.... I've been patient but someone needs to let you know.

[HtTKar]

robertlee may not be the best with typing, but I have found to really respect what he says. There are people that just dont use computers because they cant type. I read his posts, and eventhough its not easy reading, they're usually worth it. Not all martial artists are editors at home.

[KitEskrima]

Robert Lee's points are very valid indeed. I agree with what he is saying.

[KitEskrima]

I am going to agree with Mike Brewer,I know it sounds like I am agreeing with everyone but Mike Brewer elaborated more on my point.

Only by adapting to the changes in the times, common methods and techniques, training methods, equipment, etc. can a martial art teach us to adapt to the changes in our own life outside the martial arts.

Do what is appropriate, I think a lot of people are too tightly wound by the politics of JKD but the gist of JKD is to evolve,some clubs may have been known as JKD but become something different. The principles and methods of JKD as it was originally taught are still there but some instructors who come from varied backgrounds will infuse their styles in and anything useful, why not its all about evolution. Encouragement of students to do as many Martial Arts as possible is also something that I have expereinced with JKD instructors.
Hence why JKD means to me that it has exposed me to many Martial Arts and opening my mind.
Thanks
Kit

[robertlee]

Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Should it not also include researching on one's own outside what Bruce Lee taught as well as adding what you discover on your own through practive and creative thought? Bruce Lee's notebook contained three major sources for learning, They were "Within the school, outside the school, and within one's self..

Jeet Kune Do Should first be learned then you will have all the freedom to do what you want with it or any art. Several people think if you put this with that its JKD. All I am saying for it to be first JKD you have to learn JKD. Then you can or may already have look at other options to improve your own personal self. Any person should look at what they need to improve by. NO one art haS ALL THE KEYS FOR A PERSON. But If you teach JKD. or should I say help someone in learning JKD and more of there personal needs A guide. Then I think you need to start and end with the JKD Bruce handed down. From there a person can expose any thing to improve by. JKD was not about training weapons But a person sure is free to train in them. It will not be JKD weapons. But personal weapon use. AND even there to much put on use means failure keeping things simple makes them work. JKD never was about Bruce Or JKD it was a path of learning handed down on set training methods. Just as any art is. theres methods of discovery. Then applied methods of personal use where thats all the persons use of what they can do. What is added to JKD by one person is there mix NOT JKD in full but personal use of JKD and concepts that fit in with the daily needs to train by. In the end no name comes to being JKD guides you to your freedom BUT it can not be taught from there with out first haveing a path to go by. Where JKD as handed down in training has a path. Then the journey is yours alone. I guess it all becomes the persons JKD in away. But should it be taught to others as JKD or should it be taught first JKD then extended concepts. letting the person decide from there what works for them as you did. We all are different can do what we can and learn to do. Each person in any art will have there method But do we teach thousands of methods or let those learning discover there own method. After all less is better then more in fighting. If something works better for a person use it. But do not add it. take something away that did not work as well.

[Freedom]

Try thinking of it this way. Bruce Lee did not learn JKD first and then do his research. His research was his jkd. If you spend to long learning his jkd you won't have learned that much about your jkd.

[HtTKar]

Mike Brewer,
Therefore, we unceremoniously discard those parts of the art that act as a burden, and we find ourselves actively seeking things that will give us an advantage.

robertlee
If something works better for a person use it. But do not add it. take something away that did not work as well.

I didn't mean to single you guys out, I was singling out a quote similar to this to ask a question

"Take what is useful and disregard the rest"

I see a lot of people quoting this, but do you feel it limits the art? What you do not find useful right now may be useful years from now when things change. Perhaps your perspectives changes and you find places to incorporate these techniques you were not able to use before. Or 100years from now when the world changes, future generations may need techniques that were discarded at an earlier time, because they were not useful then.

Bob Orlando wrote that the next evolutionary step to this quote would be "Take what is useful"

Bruce Lee wrote these, which really had me thinking about this

"To see things uncolored by one's own personal preferences and desires is to see it in its own pristine simplicity"

"The perfect way is only difficult for those who pick and choose. Do not like, do not dislike; all will then be clear...the struggle between "for" and "against" is the minds worst disease"

Is it right to "unceremoniously discard" techniques you do not feel are valid? Or would it be better to just not try to use them in a fight, but keep them and teach them for what they are?

[robertlee]

Is it right to "unceremoniously discard" techniques you do not feel are valid? Or would it be better to just not try to use them in a fight, but keep them and teach them for what they are?[/QUOTE]
Each person no matter what they learn will find there measure of what and how they perform. So in the M/A its the same. each person finds what they can do with what they have been taught.and what needs they need to go forward. As a art is taught. Yes hand it down as it was taught to you. Not discarding the tools that were of no use to you. but may be for someone else. But each person agin will discover through resistive training what does or what does not best work for them. And from that comes what is personal use of a good but small set of tools. What we find in the M/A is a large set of tools in most arts that have little to no use for most people. A fight in modern times is short fast and demanding. What is exposed for the person is just a small useful set of tools that fits most all the needs. Those tools are the ones you find that remain constant in use. They work well and often. We are all different there for we perform different. what is in some way good for you may not work as well for others. And the same goes for them what works may not be your choice . Discarding does not mean not teaching it to others. it just means you have found it not a tool of use for your self. Im am very sure with todays exposer to a large over all training exposer. the future will bring better fighters better instructors and a better future for the M/A This will be because people agin are testing delivery methods more often instead of just following methods as they are taught. NO one art has the answer no one person has the answer. As it can never be a person each person has to explore what they want and need to improve the whole aspect to anything is to improve get better and if something else comes forwad that helps take it look at what it offers and deduct what it can replace on the personal side of your training. Thats your nobody elses method you do not teach it you do it when you do it Even BRuce said your art is not my art. THat means even if you do JKD its yours not mine. perfomance is individual to each person.