Bruce never mentioned his training in....

[Jingle]

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[JkD187]

i have no idea what limalama is...however i know of someone who tried to use it in mma.....god forib he tries to do that again.

[gungfuhero]

The lack of corroboration may lead you to examine such claims more critically.

[Nutz]

A quick google search come up with this:

http://www.martialartsinstitute.com/limalama2.html

This Martial Art system was founded by Grand Master Tuumumao "Tino" Tuiolosega of the Royal Family of Sumo. Mr. Tino has spent over sixty years of his life dedicated to the Martial Arts, and the development of the American Polynesian art of Limalama. After having the Polynesian Martial Arts passed down to him by his father and uncle. Mr. Tino achieved Master Ranks in the five animal styles of Sil-Lum Kung fu. He was the Chief instructor of Self-defense while serving in the Marine Corp. Mr. Tino was the Middle Weight Champion and one of the most famous full contact Martial Arts competitors during the 1950s and 1960s. In my opinion Limalama is a unique style that Bows before God not before man.

And this:
http://limalama.net/

I don't know though. It rubs me the wrong way, as if it was something two ex-military brothers cooked up in their garage and starting teaching the neighborhood kids (as well as their own).

[Jingle]

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[Jingle]

Originally Posted by JkD187

i have no idea what limalama is...however i know of someone who tried to use it in mma.....god forib he tries to do that again.

who's this. and how do you mean?

limalama isn't an art for the ring. it is a street-wise martial art, which means that when a punch is thrown, we go in and break the arm and the wrist and dislocate the shoulder before we get into the body. at that point it's elbows to the spine, weighted palms to the tailbone and collar bone, hammerfists to the floating ribs, claws the face, and chickenclaws to the neck and kidneys and groin. it's not a sport. it's a "please refrain from punching me again because I will seriously **** you up if you don't stop...thank you"

-J

[JkD187]

from what ive seen he got punched in the face...taken down and pounded out its in an earlier king of the cage. Im not trying to bash the art im just saying he shouldnt do that again bc he had a broken nose amog many bruises in about a min and a half.

[robertlee]

A person has to able to use what they learn. If not its not going to work. So any art has to be the person doing it thats what makes it effective. And if Bruce indeed worked the system. he either found what he wanted. or tested what he already had for it effectivness. Bruce looked at many different styles. But did not take from them. He had his methods and explored results. Sure he did reach out to include boxing and fencing into the wing chun base. But from there He explored jujitsu judo And reccomend Its use in ground training.

[gungfuhero]

Having a really cool/brutal strategy and actually being able to pull it off are two different things. My strategy might be one shot one kill, but that may not be how things pan out. Remember, a rice pounder becomes a rice pounder when he pounds rice.

[DrJBN]

For what its worth, regarding the discussion of Lee & Limalama, I dunno about Lee & Tuiolosega but I have seen pics of Lee & Sal Esquival together.

[pstevens]

Originally Posted by Jingle

who's this. and how do you mean?

limalama isn't an art for the ring. it is a street-wise martial art, which means that when a punch is thrown, we go in and break the arm and the wrist and dislocate the shoulder before we get into the body. at that point it's elbows to the spine, weighted palms to the tailbone and collar bone, hammerfists to the floating ribs, claws the face, and chickenclaws to the neck and kidneys and groin. it's not a sport. it's a "please refrain from punching me again because I will seriously **** you up if you don't stop...thank you"

Puahaha... Lima Lama needs to get in line along with all the other so-called "dangerous" martial arts out there. Let me guess Jingle, you guys break bones and wrists everyday? This is against live resistance right? I can the see medical bills now...

Oh, and Bruce never mentioned Lima Lama, because it was useless... Arts that dwell in hypotheticals don't do well in the REAL world.

[DrJBN]

If Jingle will allow me to be so arrogant as to re-interpret what he said I believe it is as simple as rules change how people fight and, thus, the effectiveness of their training.
A boxer thinks he's badass till he gets kicked, kickboxers likewise till they get elbowed, & so forth down to grappling. Grappling in the ring would have a different flavor if eyeballs could be gouged or fishooked, then being moblie on one's feet doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

[DrJBN]

Limalama is a form/style/system developed by Tino Tuiolosega back in the early 60's. Tino's not so well known as he used to be, but he is an important figure in martial arts.

Info about him can be found at http://www.limalama.net/Tinobio.htm.
The history is described at http://www.limalama.net/History.htm.

Corroborating desecriptions can be found under the history link at
www.no-ka-oi.com site under history:founder.

See also, http://www.olohe.com/kapu4en.html for another take on the founding.

(The Tuiolosega camp is pretty political and sensitive about who founded what and when)

As for whether BL ever trained in limalama, or with any of the founders, I dunno. I wasn't around back then. I've only the things I heard and the pics I've seen from Esquival (member of the original Limalama foundation) when I knew him in the 80s that suggest it was the case.

Best,
DrJBN

[pstevens]

Originally Posted by DrJBN

If Jingle will allow me to be so arrogant as to re-interpret what he said I believe it is as simple as rules change how people fight and, thus, the effectiveness of their training.

Nah... Jingle is a lunatic and lima beans lama is just another art with baseless claims...

Originally Posted by DrJBN

A boxer thinks he's badass till he gets kicked, kickboxers likewise till they get elbowed, & so forth down to grappling. Grappling in the ring would have a different flavor if eyeballs could be gouged or fishooked, then being moblie on one's feet doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

First of all, boxers don’t care about people who can kick... Most successful kickboxers were boxers who learned a few kicks just to get in the door and exploit how effective punching is against kicks. The best stand-up fighters are good punchers, not the other way around.

Grappling in the ring WOULD have a different flavor if eye gouging and fishhooks were allowed - The GRAPPLER would be doing this to YOU!!! It never ceases to amaze me that people think “if” only they were allowed to eye gouge a grappler... Puahaha... How do you propose to do that when you’re tied into knots and the grappler is on top... He’s going to use it too!

[DrJBN]

As for another art with baseless claims... I am not aware of any claims of the art.

People make claims. Unfortunately, the arts people study seldom effect the maturity of the individuals studying them, resulting in overblown hyperbole which reflects poorly on the art.

My comments on Jingle's post were not to criticize grappling, nor to necessarily defend Jingle's claims regarding limalama. It was merely to point out, what I would have belived to be obvious, that the tools one is "allowed" to use will affect how they fight. Comparisons and evaluations of techniques and frameworks in limited settings are simply not viable. Whether this be the grappler who has found traditonal marital arts unfulfilling for their goals, or vice versa.

Notwithstanding what techniques grapplers may or may not use in an unrestricted situation, I believe my original comment still holds.

Best,
DrJBN