nerve martial arts???

[JkD187]

harsh boarspear very harsh leave the poor boy alone......meanies man i swear.

[medic06]

Well penance is partially right. Someone who is going to dig in your arm for a pressure point deserves a punch in the nose and an armbar (although I have met some people who may be able to pull it off, but even they say "don't"). I was taught that by themselves the points are useless, they should always be either struck or used in conjunction with another technique. As they say in South Louisiana, it's Lagniappe (a little extra something)

[Penance]

They make use of a few, yes, that actually work.
Like I said, a chop to the occipital nerve = pain + KO.
Most of the effective spots are obvious. Oh, so jamming your finger into my face is going to hurt and disorient me? Amazing!

Go to any site that shows the pressure points of Dim Mak, then hit yourself as hard as you can in a few of them. Grab your wrist and dig your thumb into the two points shown on the charts. It doesn't hurt that bad, and in a real situation it isn't going to do shit.

Even if a strike to those points is able to paralyze a limb or KO you, it would have to be such a precise and powerful strike that in a real fast-paced fight it would only work if you already have your opponent where you want them.

Some of the points are going to be effective, but the whole idea that there's some mysical property about it all or that knowing how to strike those points is going to make a smaller person able to defeat a much larger opponent is BS and you know it.

Biting, eye gouging, and groin kicking do the same thing but they don't go on and on about meridians and chi and all that other nonsense.

Dim Mak is advertised as nothing BUT nerves and pressure points. Look up anything in Dim Mak and other PP arts, and it's all BS. Stuff like "the grand master would select only a few students to learn the deadly art....but NOW these ancient techniques are available for anyone to learn! Just buy our book."

But I guess in order to get the "real thing" you have to seek out a legitimate "master", right?

[Penance]

And I was using the guard example as just that...an example. Just like Nutz used one.

If these pressure points are just a subset of techniques to be used in combination with other things, fine, but I'm still not buying the fact that there are dozens and dozens of spots on my body that if you poke them in just the right way I'm going to lose control of a limb or fall unconscious.

To date there's only one spot on my body that has had anything like that happen to it: my funny bone.

You would think over the course of my life I would have accidentally bumped other parts of my body and experienced something similar if these points were legitimate.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Penance

But I guess in order to get the "real thing" you have to seek out a legitimate "master", right?

huh, so if i jam my thumb into gv-26 you wont turn your head? if i have my forearm rammed into the same point in a crossface you wont be turn out of it?
Iron palm slaps to the base of the spine and brain stem dont phase you either? huh, so superman's online persona is penance, good to know...

But actually there is a way to move to make the strikes work, just punching someone doesnt activate the point, its the way you generate force to strike that makes Dim mak work, not the points themselves...if you have a sorry assed weak grip, and you punch like royce gracie then no, dim mak wont work for you.

and hell no you cant learn it from a book did you learn your bjj from a book or video, or a website? Then stop trying to learn dim mak that way... especially before assuming you know enough to be commenting on it....

[medic06]

Originally Posted by Penance

They make use of a few, yes, that actually work.
Like I said, a chop to the occipital nerve = pain + KO.
Most of the effective spots are obvious. Oh, so jamming your finger into my face is going to hurt and disorient me? Amazing!

Go to any site that shows the pressure points of Dim Mak, then hit yourself as hard as you can in a few of them. Grab your wrist and dig your thumb into the two points shown on the charts. It doesn't hurt that bad, and in a real situation it isn't going to do shit.

Even if a strike to those points is able to paralyze a limb or KO you, it would have to be such a precise and powerful strike that in a real fast-paced fight it would only work if you already have your opponent where you want them.

Some of the points are going to be effective, but the whole idea that there's some mysical property about it all or that knowing how to strike those points is going to make a smaller person able to defeat a much larger opponent is BS and you know it.

Biting, eye gouging, and groin kicking do the same thing but they don't go on and on about meridians and chi and all that other nonsense.

Dim Mak is advertised as nothing BUT nerves and pressure points. Look up anything in Dim Mak and other PP arts, and it's all BS. Stuff like "the grand master would select only a few students to learn the deadly art....but NOW these ancient techniques are available for anyone to learn! Just buy our book."

But I guess in order to get the "real thing" you have to seek out a legitimate "master", right?

Like my teacher used to say "pressure points only work if you PRESS!!!"

Actually you CAN knock yourself out using St 9 It's the carotid sinus, which if stimulated can drop the heartrate and blood pressure. It's one of the few that doesn't require a whole lot of skill to use (but can be difficult to get to sometimes).

For me they have been merely a curiousity since in order to use them requires considerable power and skill, enough so that even if you miss the point you still would cause alot of damage. There is Chinese saying "It takes 3 lifetimes to master Dim Mak". For some reason this is ignored by the frauds out there.

Learning where the points are is the easy part. Gaining the skill to use them is difficult

[medic06]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

But actually there is a way to move to make the strikes work, just punching someone doesnt activate the point, its the way you generate force to strike that makes Dim mak work, not the points themselves...

Fa Jing, right?

[JkD187]

wait a second if it takes 3 lifetimes to master dim mak....why the hell would anyone even bother....i mean in todays world people barley make one lifetime,What a cruel world we live in.

[medic06]

Like most Chinese sayings, it's not meant to be taken literally

Sometimes I wonder if that's why so many CMAs went to crap. Did someone take the "effortless fighting" and "death touch" thing a little too literally?

[Penance]

Blunt force trauma to the brain stem and spinal column are aversive. The knowledge of the ancients continues to astound!

I wonder if UFC consulted with them on this before they decided not to allow strikes to the back of the neck when someone is down?

Any strike to almost anywhere on the head (except for the head-butt area) or face or neck is going to be painful and distracting if it connects.

Look man, I'm not trying to knock you. I'm not claiming to be a Dim Mak know-it-all, I'm just claiming to be able to put 2 and 2 together and use some common sense. Hitting someone under their nose isn't some ancient secret either and its effect doesn't have anything to do with meridians, chi, ying, yang, or anything else. Crushing a fist through a thin layer of skin and compressing a nerve center into bone and teeth hurts? Again, amazing. I don't know any striking martial art that doesn't tell you that it's a soft spot.

But please tell me about a Dim Mak spot I may not have heard of before and its effect. Like, where you can strike me on my arm to make me unable to use it. Is it a strike that is feasible in combat? Have you ever used it on someone else and had it work while they were resisting?

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Penance

To date there's only one spot on my body that has had anything like that happen to it: my funny bone.

You would think over the course of my life I would have accidentally bumped other parts of my body and experienced something similar if these points were legitimate.

Actually, thats because we are made in such a way that we absorb strikes downward and straight in pretty well, most Nerve strikes go against the normal flow of movement and arent normally hit in every day life. consider how you usually hit your funny bone...usually from underneath... If you dont believe you can be controlled with a finger i have a challenge for you.

look up gv-26 on the net. Now bend over so your head is at waist level. Have a friend use both hands to try to lift your forehead. Try to resist...don't let him raise your head. youll find you can he probably can force your head up with brute strength. Now, same test but have him lay his index finger under your nose (as if covering a mustache) all he has to do is press up and in, while you resist...i guarantee you cant keep your head down if he finds the point... thats another of the 108 points that Shaolin temple Recognized...if you think its sucks pressing it, imagine a knifehand chop You can use these points to control a man when grappling, IE: getting him to lift or turn his head to apply chokes....

[medic06]

Dim Mak = striking vital points. . . .

you are saying "I don't believe in Dim Mak, but I do believe that their are vulnerable targets on the human body"

Kind of like saying "Grappling is effective, but all that Judo ne waza is BS"

[medic06]

gv-26. . . ..

forgot about that one. . . .

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by medic06

Fa Jing, right?

bingo, If you know Small San Sau And you can Fa jin I believe thats all any man can hope to achieve in a lifetime. Its certainly more than you should ever need for self defense. no doubt alot of things will defend you with alot less work...however i consider the training one of the best things in my life so i enjoyed the trip....

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by JkD187

wait a second if it takes 3 lifetimes to master dim mak....why the hell would anyone even bother....i mean in todays world people barley make one lifetime,What a cruel world we live in.

well they are trying to make a point, there are thousands of points, so if you tried to learn them all and thier uses, it would be impossible in a single lifetime, that was thier point.