confused about what jeet kune do actually is

[StealthMode]

if i use mt/judo/wing chun all in a fight would i be considered practicing jkd

[Oraenor]

Originally Posted by StealthMode

if i use mt/judo/wing chun all in a fight would i be considered practicing jkd

yes and no. JKD is not a style, just the concept of blocking, hence the way of the intercepting fist.

[Eyegouge]

It would only be JKD if you considered the way you fought YOUR own style. Jeet Kune do is a way to discover your own style of fighting. If you used MT and wing chun, but your judo sucked, it wouldn't really be JKD because obviously judo dosen't work for you. When you use styles that benifit your own body structure, abilities, and mission in martial arts, then....then you are on the path to creating your own way through JKD, taking everything from them that works 4 you.

For instance. I'm an ex gymnast and I love science and come from a family of wrestlers. So I study capoeria, kempo, and wrestling. MT and boxing, really arn't for me because I don't hit very hard, I'm not very big or tough. I've studied them, to learn how they work, how to defend against them, and if need be, use them. But they arn't what I turn to first. Study everything you can get your hands on. And the arts tailored toward you, use them, steal their art.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by StealthMode

if i use mt/judo/wing chun all in a fight would i be considered practicing jkd

NO.

You can not DO JKD if you you never study JKD. You can do your own THING but it's still NOT JKD. It will never be JKD unless you begin to understand the principles and concepts that Bruce and his friends developed and called Jeet Kune Do... The way of the intercepting fist. Use your foot and now it becomes Jeet Tek Do...

Find a certified instructor in your area or go to some seminars... read a BOOK or something!

[Oreomeister365]

I myself also think JKD is also about beign intuitive. Being able to see situations and be able to do what youd consider most effective given the limitations of your strength/speed/felxebility. Yes theres all the usual tools which are all proven to have worked time and time again, but I think having a highly creative outlook on martial arts as a JKD person is one of my favorite aspects of it.

[Freedom]

Jun fan is an established system of progression, jeet kune do WAS Bruce Lee's own individual style. You can never learn JKD, unless you are Bruce Lee. However you can be inspired by his training methods and his research, and do your own reasearch. I hate all these "what is/is not JKD" and "who has correct lineage" threads. Its just nonsense. Think about it like this: where did Bruce get his lineage from?

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by Tant01

NO.

You can not DO JKD if you you never study JKD. You can do your own THING but it's still NOT JKD. It will never be JKD unless you begin to understand the principles and concepts that Bruce and his friends developed and called Jeet Kune Do... The way of the intercepting fist. Use your foot and now it becomes Jeet Tek Do...

Find a certified instructor in your area or go to some seminars... read a BOOK or something!

I think you are the one who needs to read a book because obviously you have no idea what JKD is.JKD can be anything that you see fit to add into your tool box....boxing with wing chun can be considered JKD if you choose to call it that.If you want to study Bruce Lee's JKD then you are free to do so...however everyone's JKD will be different depending on personal preference.The philophsy and principals of JKD are not that hard to understand and most people nowaday are using that philophsy in MMA comp.

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by Eyegouge

MT and boxing, really arn't for me because I don't hit very hard, I'm not very big or tough. I've studied them, to learn how they work, how to defend against them, and if need be, use them.

saying boxing and mt arent for you because u dont hit hard shows that u dont know anything about mt or boxing. thats like saying u cant play a piano because u dont know the notes. u gotta train and learn how to do it. boxers that hit hard werent born with hardcore punching power, they just trained and learned how to do it. its not that mt and boxing dont work for you, u just dont know anything about them. not only that, but u dont need to big or tough to use boxing or mt, if anything being smaller and faster can be a great advantage when knowing dangerous striking skills because these arts dont just teach striking, the movements u learn are what make it really work. most thai boxers in thailand are small, but through constant practice have become machines.


and btw tanto, u keep arguing against what bruce lee actually intended jkd to be. he didnt want it to be the style that it now is, he spoke against that in the clearest terms possible and there is no denying that. this fact makes u right though, because it is true that u wont be considered a true jkd practitioner unless u train at jkd school and use wing chun style trapping for your hands all your weight on your front leg when fighting. even though bruce lee advocated being formless in jkd, u have to take a particular form to be considered a jkd practitioner.

[Tant01]

"What Is Jeet Kune Do?"

See Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do THE TEXTBOOK by Chris Kent and Tim Tackett

Pg.9 ISBN 0-86568-131-7


And just because you call something a dog, doesn't mean it's a K-9....

[robertlee]

Many people say JKD is this or that. First it was what wasdeveloped BY Bruce Taught by Bruce. What was yours was what in the learning that you could perform in real life that was your JKD. The personal side saying your JKD is not my JKD is each person is different in action and thought of mind. So we all will act different when under pressure But I still say JKD is the method taught by Bruce. then personal even extended JKD is what you add to be your own. BUT JKD should start at its base and go from there. Or mixing this and that it can be called what you want even with background training in JKD you can call it anything JKD BUT with NO background it MMA or a new name M A But as we read and read. ITs just a name what is more important is how well you can do what you do. NO RIGHTS NO WRONGS. Just as boxing is just called boxing maybe we are getting to a time that the different arts of the martial arts can be under 1 name martial arts. then the standup clinch and ground levels of training would be just different training areas of learning. NO fancy names just your a martial artist As a boxer no matter is a boxer. No more styles just open level training in all aspects. Cant not argue that And the different schools gyms ect, Would be like town boxing gyms. You go there train and fight. Skill is you the only important part is how you develop. As Bruce said Gung FU is GUNG fU. no style just a name in the end.

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by Tant01

"What Is Jeet Kune Do?"

See Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do THE TEXTBOOK by Chris Kent and Tim Tackett

Pg.9 ISBN 0-86568-131-7


And just because you call something a dog, doesn't mean it's a K-9....

Never heard of the book or these guys so i really cant comment.You should really look into the definitive Dan Inostano collection....specifically the grappling tape...where he breaks down exactly what JKD is and what Bruce meant it to be.You should really do some research before you post because all i see is non-sense comming from you...in Dan's own words(id take his word over these two guys anyway)"if you mix karate tkd judo jiu jitsu together and call it jeet kune do...that is CORRECT you can do that....it is technically correct....however it is not the jeet kune do of Bruce Lee"....if that was too hard to understand he is basically saying that JKD is whatever you make it to be...but if you claim to study Bruce Lee's JKD then that would be wrong....and since Bruce emplored us to find our OWN JKD then Stealth mode is correct in saying what he dose is JKD brother.O and by the way the word Dog is very broad meaing all types dogs wether it be k-9 or any other type....the word dog can mean martial arts and k-9 mean JKD..however JKD is not a style its a philophsy....it can not be classified as this or that...very poor analogy on your part...beter luck next time.

[blitz]

So if JKD can be anything you want it to be.
Why the hell is it taught? Aren't the instructors basically teaching you "their" JKD...

[JkD187]

Originally Posted by blitz

So if JKD can be anything you want it to be.
Why the hell is it taught? Aren't the instructors basically teaching you "their" JKD...

That is an excellent question....most JKDC schools are outta wack.OJKD schools are stuck in time as well....about 95% of JKD schools out there are bogus and just using Lee's name to get money from guilable people.All the good JKD schools out there mainly JKDU SBG PFS and dan inosanto among others use delivery systems as its base and go on to incorperate other techniques from other arts as you progress.At every one of these places you will find that the basic unarmed delivery systems are bjj boxing muay thai and wrestling....exactly what you will find at any MMA gym....only modified to fit your needs(wether it be mma....self defense....law enforcement etc etc)for the armed its usually Kali.Having a delivery system or base is needed for anyone....then adding the JKD philophsy is easy.The problem with the JKDC is there is no base...just concepts and the OJKD problem is they are stuck in time still using and claming to teach "orig" JKD which is complete BS...because NO one not even Dan Inosanto knows the whole orig material.

[blitz]

So basically if I understand the philosophy behind JKD, I can use it without learning under an instructor. For example if I learn MT, Kali, BJJ and I take the moves I can use the best or the moves I like, I am using the JKD concept. Thats what I understood but as I was reading on some JKD websites, they say they teach JKD I, JKD II etc..
Can't JKD be given in 5 minutes if its as simple as make your own style?

[robertlee]

If JKD can be a mix of anything then why call it JKD at all. Yes the term JKD concepts fits the learning of key tools from different arts. Thats why its called JKD concepts but JKD did have its own set of tools to learn by. Then the person discovered there personal side no different then a person attending college and getting a degree then learning the field appliction from there personal experiance of applieing what they studyed. Mixed Martial Arts. is that mixed where a person can go from one point to another and fight comfortably there. stand up clinch ground. A blend is a mix now seperation. Sure each has a strong point of delivery. and a comfort zone in the other areas The old saying a JKD man will use anything in his means. Holds true. Each person that starts with JKD first. can go on to explore any art take from it what he may need Or just look at what he already has and how it can be used to over come the other arts tools. Really Just a small set of good workable tools tested and tested that fit in with most applications Is all a person needs to much baggage slows you down. No need to learn to many things Just find test and take a realistic coarse of action in the training . If something else makes you better do it leave behind what will not or what was not as good. JKD becomes personal after you have started down the right course. BUT can that be taught. NO Give a base solid foundation. then expose other insights that a person can choose from for there own taking. then what they can do will be there own Not what another person handed down. Structure first then real exposer.