Difference between Jun Fan GF and JKD Dummy sets

[Kungfoolery]

In the JKDC curriculum, I understand Guru Dan teaches what are known as the Jun Fan Gung Fu Dummy sets and a separate series called the JKD Dummy sets.

Anyone know the difference between the two?

[ULIKEIT]

I'm not sure what the difference is. I know that there are not many people out there who know the set and some people from what I hear discredit it because that would be the olny true form that jkd has i guess ^^ not really sure though looking forward to what you guys have to say

[Kungfoolery]

I learned 3 of the JFGU sets. I believe there are 7. I think there may be about that amount of JKD sets. Not sure though.

[gungfuhero]

The JKD sets are based on what Bruce Lee did when he was working on the dummy, mostly freestyling. I believe they were made by Sifu Inosanto as a bridge to freestyle practice. What most of us would consider JKD or JFGF trapping is displayed in the JKD sets; lots of pak da, lop da, jao sao, etc. The JFGF sets are pulled from Wing Chun. Everyone teaches the dummy a little differently, but what we call the Jun Fan sets is pretty similar to what other Wing Chun Sifu teach as their 108 movements on the Mook Jong. I have been told, however, that Bruce Lee did not know all the Wing Chun sets, so the last couple were added to the curriculum after his death. Also, the order that Bruce Lee taught the traditional mook jong sets from wing chun in the Jun Fan days was different (3,4,5,1,2,6,7 I think, but I don't know for sure.) I know all ten of both sets, and they are very different and address different situations.

[Kungfoolery]

Thanks mans. If I remember correctly, one of Rick Faye's students released an instructional on the dummy sets. Anyone ever see it. And Sifu Faye released one of his own dvd's on the subject. Any reviews?

[thtackett]

Bruce Lee had learned about 40 moves on the wing chun dummy, but was great at just freelancing it. When Dan Inosanto went to Hong Kong to do the crappy "Game Of Death", he learned the complete wing chun dummy set from Chris Yik. He also learned about 50 moves from a mantis dummy set. When he came back we learned these sets in Dan's backyard school. Dan then created what he called the JKD Dummy set. It has wing chun elements as well as Western boxing elements. It was quite long so I guess he later broke it up in to smaller sets. We were encouraged to learn the sets, take what was useful, throw the rest away and just freelance it.
Tim

[Kungfoolery]

Thanks tim. You didn't like Game of death? geez.

[thtackett]

I know, and it was so well done. I had the misfortune to be at the Hollywood premier.

[Tameo]

Almost every wing chun lineage has different sets they do on the dummy which look totally different. I dont think the order matters at all as long as you can freestyle and make the techniques flow with proper mechanics.

[Kungfoolery]

Did you ever see the Bruce Li ripoff "True Game of Death?"

[gungfuhero]

Mr. Tackett,

How much of the dummy techniques made it into the JKD phase? One of my favorite techniques on the mook jong is one that you demonstated in a magazine article where you grab the mook by the "neck" and pull it into a head butt, although I've also seen this as a neck pull into a punch. Was that something that made it into the LA period training?

[thtackett]

We do it as both also. It didn't make it into the JKD set. It really didn't need to as we had it from the wing chun set. It's one of the one's I kept from the wing chun 108 to use when we freelance the dummy. Which is the only way I do it anymore.