JKD Phillosophy and art - Page 3

Troll Virus · 03-29-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Killing Sword

Slightly pedantic I think as the point I was intending to make survives the slight error in translation, however I'll concede and just say ok.

Not in the least pedantic.

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I think this is irrelevant. I mean no offense to Bruce Lee's friends and family when i say that I don't think their opinions really make any difference. The fact is that there is huge confusion today as to what JKD is,what Bruce would be doing with it, who can or can't teach it etc. I get the impression that the name is a big part of the problem and Bruce new that.

"The name is not the thing"?

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I'm not saying that learning from books alone is a good way of learning, of course it isn't. But I definitely don't believe that its worthless. Bruce lee learned a lot from reading relevant books.

Yeah, he did.
Then he went out and tried things out for himself physically, rather than theoretically.

Killing Sword · 03-29-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Troll Virus

Not in the least pedantic.

I disagree. Never mind.

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Originally Posted by Troll Virus

"The name is not the thing"?

Well, that was my my original point.

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Yeah, he did.
Then he went out and tried things out for himself physically, rather than theoretically.

Ok, I haven't ever suggested that training solely from books is,was or ever could be the right/best way to learn.

Troll Virus · 03-29-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Sword

I disagree. Never mind.

Of importance, only to you.

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Well, that was my my original point.

Glad I made it clearer for you.

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Ok, I haven't ever suggested that training solely from books is,was or ever could be the right/best way to learn.

Nobody suggested you did, other than how your own posts could have been interpreted.

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But I definitely don't believe that its worthless. Bruce lee learned a lot from reading relevant books.

Killing Sword · 03-29-2007, 01:08 PM

This is ridiculous. We might as well be having a religious debate, I don't think anybody is benefiting from this banter. Apologies to anybody who took the time to read the pointless argument that was the last 8-9 posts.

Troll Virus · 03-29-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Sword

This is ridiculous. We might as well be having a religious debate, I don't think anybody is benefiting from this banter. Apologies to anybody who took the time to read the pointless argument that was the last 8-9 posts.

No worries.
Come back to us when you have a point to discuss.

Killing Sword · 03-30-2007, 01:41 AM

What a peculiar fellow you are. I don't know at what point I offended you but your attitude is pathetic. Your just being an ass for the sake of it, with no interest in actually having an intelligent debate like everyone else on this thread. Bad form

Troll Virus · 03-30-2007, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Killing Sword

What a peculiar fellow you are. I don't know at what point I offended you but your attitude is pathetic. Your just being an ass for the sake of it, with no interest in actually having an intelligent debate like everyone else on this thread. Bad form

Not really.
You just haven't said anything more interesting or original than the typical twelve year old Bruce Lee fan.

Killing Sword · 03-30-2007, 04:00 PM

Yet you felt compelled to retort as wittily and repeatedly as you have. Grow up man. I'm embarrassed for you.

fenwick99 · 06-14-2007, 04:27 PM

"if I wanted to kill you you'd be dead already."
Wasn't that quote by a non-martial-artist, Virgil Sollozo, in the Godfather?

If you look at the Inosanto website, he refers to his classes in the BL arts
as "jeet kuen" rather than jeet kunedo or jun fan, and I would assume
that it was because he lost his case to the Nucleus and he wants no further conflict on the matter.
In any case, if you look at the history of the Bruce Lee arts, you can see the evolution, and I believe that this evolution itself invalidates the standard arguments between partisans of ojkd and jkdc.
Bruce started with wing chun, then added western arts like boxing, wrestling,
savate, fencing, and Parker's kenpo. Dan Inosanto enriched the curriculum
immeasurably by adding muay thai, FMA, silat, bando, and ultimately shooto and BJJ. You are left with a matrix of disciplnes that covers all ranges and involves great training for self-defense. Of course, people are then free to choose which school to attend or which track to follow. What impresses me is that Dan was doing things like submission and muay thai long before the mma craze broke in 1993. Dan was studying Machado jiujitsu and shootwrestling with the top guys in those arts, and this was long before
Royce Gracie extracted a submission from Dan Severn.
But make no mistake: Guro Inosanto has always taught Bruce's art as Bruce taught it.

eXcessiveForce · 06-14-2007, 04:52 PM

Was there a case? I thought Inosanto dropped the name rather than fight over it.

fenwick99 · 06-15-2007, 11:28 AM

yes, there was a lawsuit. Go to a flameboard like Bax's if you want the details.

03-29-2007, 01:08 PM	#34 (permalink)
Killing Sword Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10	This is ridiculous. We might as well be having a religious debate, I don't think anybody is benefiting from this banter. Apologies to anybody who took the time to read the pointless argument that was the last 8-9 posts. __________________ 'In a fair fight i would have killed you' 'Well that isn't much of a reason for me to fight fair then is it?'

03-30-2007, 01:41 AM	#36 (permalink)
Killing Sword Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10	What a peculiar fellow you are. I don't know at what point I offended you but your attitude is pathetic. Your just being an ass for the sake of it, with no interest in actually having an intelligent debate like everyone else on this thread. Bad form __________________ 'In a fair fight i would have killed you' 'Well that isn't much of a reason for me to fight fair then is it?'

03-30-2007, 04:00 PM	#38 (permalink)
Killing Sword Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10	Yet you felt compelled to retort as wittily and repeatedly as you have. Grow up man. I'm embarrassed for you. __________________ 'In a fair fight i would have killed you' 'Well that isn't much of a reason for me to fight fair then is it?'

06-14-2007, 04:27 PM	#39 (permalink)
fenwick99 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 182	re "if I wanted to kill you you'd be dead already." Wasn't that quote by a non-martial-artist, Virgil Sollozo, in the Godfather? If you look at the Inosanto website, he refers to his classes in the BL arts as "jeet kuen" rather than jeet kunedo or jun fan, and I would assume that it was because he lost his case to the Nucleus and he wants no further conflict on the matter. In any case, if you look at the history of the Bruce Lee arts, you can see the evolution, and I believe that this evolution itself invalidates the standard arguments between partisans of ojkd and jkdc. Bruce started with wing chun, then added western arts like boxing, wrestling, savate, fencing, and Parker's kenpo. Dan Inosanto enriched the curriculum immeasurably by adding muay thai, FMA, silat, bando, and ultimately shooto and BJJ. You are left with a matrix of disciplnes that covers all ranges and involves great training for self-defense. Of course, people are then free to choose which school to attend or which track to follow. What impresses me is that Dan was doing things like submission and muay thai long before the mma craze broke in 1993. Dan was studying Machado jiujitsu and shootwrestling with the top guys in those arts, and this was long before Royce Gracie extracted a submission from Dan Severn. But make no mistake: Guro Inosanto has always taught Bruce's art as Bruce taught it.

06-14-2007, 04:52 PM	#40 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,833	Was there a case? I thought Inosanto dropped the name rather than fight over it. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

06-15-2007, 11:28 AM	#41 (permalink)
fenwick99 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 182	yes, there was a lawsuit. Go to a flameboard like Bax's if you want the details.

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