The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Little Apple · 06-24-2007, 11:05 AM

I have the Thomas Cleary translation, is there a better one? Preferably one that isn't stylized, like "for business"

GQchris · 06-24-2007, 12:52 PM

this book sounds too much like "Confucious say..."

eXcessiveForce · 06-24-2007, 12:58 PM

I'll have to figure out what my version is. It is a fantastic book.

**Hardball** · 06-24-2007, 03:48 PM

Get the version by Miaymoto Musashi. It's yellowish with a drawing of a ancient samauri on the front cover.

jubaji · 06-24-2007, 04:57 PM

LOL!

"must spread some reputation around before..."

**gregimotis** · 06-25-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

LOL!

"must spread some reputation around before..."

Jubaji can't spread rep... that is some funny.

jubaji · 06-25-2007, 01:41 AM

I'm very generous with my praise, you know!

Aikia · 06-25-2007, 11:01 PM

Hardball,
I think of the various versions I have read the one by Stephen Kaufman has the best translation for martial artist, especially those that would draw a parallel to JKD. There was a translation that came out in 1982 by Nihon Services Corp/Bantam Books that was also exellent. Here's some quotes from the later translation:
"There is no result in Zen practice. That is not the point.It is the effort you make to improve yourself that is measured." Sound like a Japanese version of Bruce Lee? Musashi wrote the book in 1645. Here's more...

"It is to apprehend the situation clearly and to see it for what it is, and not what you think it is. The intuitive experience is quick and without hesitation."
" Heiho literally means the path to enlightenment. It is not enlightenment itself. While enlightenment or fullfillment or success is accomplishing your objectives may be the goal, Heiho is merely the way to get there-Musashi's way to get there."
Is Heiho and jeet kune do not the same? A lot of people buy "A Book of Five Rings". Few read it. Fewer still understand it. Who can apply it?

Like studying jeet kune do, you have to get several versions, then draw your own conclusions. Happy reading.
Jerry Beasley

**Hardball** · 06-25-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aikia

Hardball,
I think of the various versions I have read the one by Stephen Kaufman has the best translation for martial artist, especially those that would draw a parallel to JKD. There was a translation that came out in 1982 by Nihon Services Corp/Bantam Books that was also exellent. Here's some quotes from the later translation:
"There is no result in Zen practice. That is not the point.It is the effort you make to improve yourself that is measured." Sound like a Japanese version of Bruce Lee? Musashi wrote the book in 1645. Here's more...

"It is to apprehend the situation clearly and to see it for what it is, and not what you think it is. The intuitive experience is quick and without hesitation."
" Heiho literally means the path to enlightenment. It is not enlightenment itself. While enlightenment or fullfillment or success is accomplishing your objectives may be the goal, Heiho is merely the way to get there-Musashi's way to get there."
Is Heiho and jeet kune do not the same? A lot of people buy "A Book of Five Rings". Few read it. Fewer still understand it. Who can apply it?

Like studying jeet kune do, you have to get several versions, then draw your own conclusions. Happy reading.
Jerry Beasley

Thanks for your remarks. I didn't read it, I devoured it. I read it over 20 times over a 5 year period. It's easy reading and can be read in a couple of hours. I used it as a study guide finding more knowledge with every reading.

Little Apple · 06-26-2007, 12:02 AM

Yeah, I love mine! It's just I heard someone say that Tomas Cleary's translation is crap, so I was wondering if there was a version that was generally recomended. So far I'v got Stephen Kaufman and Nihon Services Corp/Bantam Books for suggestions. You said you recomended Kaufman aikia?

**Garland** · 06-26-2007, 02:00 AM

I have the Overlook Press/ Victor Harris version.

John McNabney · 06-26-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardball

Get the version by Miaymoto Musashi. It's yellowish with a drawing of a ancient samauri on the front cover.

This in my opinion is the best "A Book of Five Rings", which from my research and training, where Bruce Lee was also heavenly influenced by...

Keeping "IT" Real,

eXcessiveForce · 06-26-2007, 12:58 PM

I don't know if this is the one that you all are referring to, but I have found this translation to be excellent

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Five-Ring...2876457&sr=8-2

**Garland** · 06-26-2007, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXcessiveForce

I don't know if this is the one that you all are referring to, but I have found this translation to be excellent

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Five-Ring...2876457&sr=8-2

that's the overlook press one I was talking about.

Blue Wave Gym · 06-27-2007, 01:52 PM

I've got that version too it a great book to read over and over just like tao of jkd you get somethign new from it every time. Also I always read it before a fight to clear my head and think about the meaning of strategy in fighting.

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Little Apple Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 372 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	book of 5 rings I have the Thomas Cleary translation, is there a better one? Preferably one that isn't stylized, like "for business"

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GQchris Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alameda County, California Posts: 819 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	this book sounds too much like "Confucious say..." __________________ Owner of a lonely heart.. much better than a owner of a broken heart...

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eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,991 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	I'll have to figure out what my version is. It is a fantastic book. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive. www.b-prime.com A success and achievement community

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Hardball Premiere Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,791 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	Get the version by Miaymoto Musashi. It's yellowish with a drawing of a ancient samauri on the front cover. __________________ The Way of the Warrior is Practice. Daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day. {Book of 5 Rings} Calendar year 2009 Crunch Challenge. 39,800/73,000 Calendar Year 2008 Final Crunches 54,000

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Aikia Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	A Book of Five JKDs Hardball, I think of the various versions I have read the one by Stephen Kaufman has the best translation for martial artist, especially those that would draw a parallel to JKD. There was a translation that came out in 1982 by Nihon Services Corp/Bantam Books that was also exellent. Here's some quotes from the later translation: "There is no result in Zen practice. That is not the point.It is the effort you make to improve yourself that is measured." Sound like a Japanese version of Bruce Lee? Musashi wrote the book in 1645. Here's more... "It is to apprehend the situation clearly and to see it for what it is, and not what you think it is. The intuitive experience is quick and without hesitation." " Heiho literally means the path to enlightenment. It is not enlightenment itself. While enlightenment or fullfillment or success is accomplishing your objectives may be the goal, Heiho is merely the way to get there-Musashi's way to get there." Is Heiho and jeet kune do not the same? A lot of people buy "A Book of Five Rings". Few read it. Fewer still understand it. Who can apply it? Like studying jeet kune do, you have to get several versions, then draw your own conclusions. Happy reading. Jerry Beasley

06-26-2007, 12:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Little Apple Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 372 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, I love mine! It's just I heard someone say that Tomas Cleary's translation is crap, so I was wondering if there was a version that was generally recomended. So far I'v got Stephen Kaufman and Nihon Services Corp/Bantam Books for suggestions. You said you recomended Kaufman aikia?

06-26-2007, 02:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
Garland Premiere Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 5,275 Groans: 1 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts	I have the Overlook Press/ Victor Harris version. __________________ homo homini lupus

06-26-2007, 12:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,991 Groans: 0 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	I don't know if this is the one that you all are referring to, but I have found this translation to be excellent http://www.amazon.com/Book-Five-Ring...2876457&sr=8-2 __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive. www.b-prime.com A success and achievement community

06-27-2007, 01:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 965 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've got that version too it a great book to read over and over just like tao of jkd you get somethign new from it every time. Also I always read it before a fight to clear my head and think about the meaning of strategy in fighting. __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

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