To people who don't seem to believe Bruce Lee is the real deal..

[lucidmist]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Yeah if were purely a boxing match then there would be no other real option but to move in close but as bruce can kick the stay on the outside option is better imo.

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[lucidmist]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Yeah if were purely a boxing match then there would be no other real option but to move in close but as bruce can kick the stay on the outside option is better imo.

I seriously don't remember much of what happened in the fights that I got into.. but I've always waited for them to attack me, and I move into the attacks. Somehow it always ended up with me elbowing some part of the guy's chin/face/head or body. None of them were patient enough to stay on the outside, they always always moved in first. But only trouble I really had was with a guy much heavier than me who didn't punch, but moved in VERY suddenly, took my punch to his face, and grabbed me, shoving me around and all I could do was hit everywhere I could hit like crazy. He was really slow with his punches, but I don't know why he always caught hold of me easily. Just when I thought he was slowing down, getting worn out, he moved surprisingly fast to grab me. I'm not sure if he was trying to push me or slam me against the walls but we always ended up semi-wrestling, and I never had space to stay further away from him from the beginning, so all I could do was work full on from the inside. And because of the close proximity, he couldn't punch me. Fortunately, he knew nothing about using knees or elbows or teeth, just totally relying on his size and weight. Just wish I was merciless enough to pop his eyes out, or strike at his temples, and it would've ended sooner.

Ah, sorry, but my point is, sometimes a fight is a test of patience. Not a group fight, that one you can't stand and do nothing once it's started. But a one-on-one fight. Striking distance goes two ways, so it's either you move into the person's striking distance or he moves into yours. Bruce Lee definitely would've possessed much better "inside" skills than I could ever have, so maybe he wouldn't need to stay on the outside and just rely on kicks? Kicking actually leaves one rather vulnerable, especially when facing a fast and accurate boxer with good reach. And I think it'd take a long time for Bruce to wear Ali down before he wore himself out.. and with his height, it's a danger even to attempt to kick Ali first, because I think Ali could easily get a wild shot in and get Bruce. By trying to kick Ali, I think Bruce may already be moving in to Ali's striking distance. I don't know, but I've always waited, but like I said, I'm not a good fighter so maybe I did it all wrong.

[Tom Yum]

Sounds like you could have used some grappling in your training. Size matters, but so does technique.

Check out Judo/Jujitsu expert 6'4" 260 Remco Pardeol vs. 6'1" 176 Royce Gracie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w77uHwMhoWI

[lucidmist]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Sounds like you could have used some grappling in your training. Size matters, but so does technique.

Check out Judo/Jujitsu expert 6'4" 260 Remco Pardeol vs. 6'1" 176 Royce Gracie.

Lol, thanks! Well, I think I need way more than just grappling.. maybe I need a whole new bodybuilding/conditioning regime as well. but I'm actually slacking off quite abit.. over the years, I've stopped getting into trouble, and enjoying not getting into trouble.. so, I got lazy.. not good, I know... never know when trouble will come looking.

[Tom Yum]

In your last post, you stated that you always ended up semi-wrestling with the guy attacking you. That's grappling/infighting range. Perfect for all the harder weapons (head, elbow, knee), lots of sweeps, throws and biting if you have to.

Bodybuilding isn't the best kind of weight training for fight conditioning. Its not bad, but your goal is to increase your maximum strength or increase your power delivery. You're looking at lifting heavy loads with few reps or light loads with a high number of reps done somewhat quickly.

Your focus isn't on doing isolation moves as much; more on compound excercises that work several groups at once.

[fire cobra]

One of my guys fought Remco,he is one big ,strong,skillfull dude.

[lucidmist]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

In your last post, you stated that you always ended up semi-wrestling with the guy attacking you. That's grappling/infighting range. Perfect for all the harder weapons (head, elbow, knee), lots of sweeps, throws and biting if you have to.

Bodybuilding isn't the best kind of weight training for fight conditioning. Its not bad, but your goal is to increase your maximum strength or increase your power delivery. You're looking at lifting heavy loads with few reps or light loads with a high number of reps done somewhat quickly.

Your focus isn't on doing isolation moves as much; more on compound excercises that work several groups at once.

Tom Yum, thanks for the advice.. no wonder my physique always looks different some weeks and different some weeks. Ok, my weight fluctuates really fast, it goes up and down within days. When I work out, if I do reps with more rest time in between, I notice for the following few weeks I bulk up more, but my body doesn't look as lean or cut. However, if I do reps with lesser rest time in between, it doesn't bulk up much but I feel somehow more energetic and my body looks leaner. Does it make sense? Or does it affect only me?

Anyway.. one more question, if you don't mind.. I used to do alot of isometrics, does it help to gain power? I've asked a few people, done some research, but always with mixed info.

[Tom Yum]

Sounds like you've got a fast metabolism. My body responds the same way.

Isometrics builds strength as far as I understand and so it could build power, but I'm guessing its not an optimal power excercise. Think of power as the ability to generate force for a certain distance in a minimum amount of time.

You need to either generate more force or cut down the time of force delivery.

Best way to generate more force is to lift heavy with low reps.

To cut down delivery time (increase speed) think plyometrics or light loads done quickly for a lot of reps - sort of what you've been doing.

Both forms of training are good for power development.

[lucidmist]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Sounds like you've got a fast metabolism. My body responds the same way.

Isometrics builds strength as far as I understand and so it could build power, but I'm guessing its not an optimal power excercise. Think of power as the ability to generate force for a certain distance in a minimum amount of time.

You need to either generate more force, or cut down the time of force delivery. Best way to generate more force is to lift heavy with low reps. Speed work cuts down the delivery time - think plyometrics or light loads done quickly for a lot of reps.

Hey Tom Yum, thanks for the advice. Somehow, you kickstarted the motivation in me, and I can't wait to get started again. I haven't done heavy loads with low reps.. Just lots of light loads with many reps. I'll try the former, and will let you know how it goes!

[dimmak786]

Its ridiculous posts like that by lucidist (the thread starter) which tarnish Lee's name.

Im as big a Bruce Lee fan as any, but I know Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ali, hell the top ten lightweights of the day would have murdered Lee in a fight. Boxing or street or otherwise.

Also would a world class judoka really stand there and wait for Lee's punches to land? And base Lees's superiority on punches that" stopped a few inches short of his face"!!hahahahha

The quotes in the thread starters post are laughable as well.

Lee's physique was supposed to have impressed Joe Weider to the point he said it was the best physique he had ever seen. How ridiculous. Many high school kids have Lee's physique. Lee was not and never tried to be a body builder. If Lee had wanted to concentrate on his physique he could have made it 10 times more impressive there is no doubt about that.

Lee's true legacy was his tremendous fighting ability borne from his years of street fighting, his training with Yip man, and the impromptu challenges he faced with alarming regularity.

It is an injustice to use the 1964 Ed Parker tournament and say Lee was just into tricks etc.

Nonsense.

One must understand the world of the 1960's and 70's was different. By the time Lee died his life had followed a natural progression.

His streetfighting days a teenager, his intense training, his period of inactivity after his back gave out in 1970 where he contentrated on mental training and his writings, and than his acting career and the challenge matches he fought right up to his death.

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[Happy Cat]

Dimmak: You "know that the top ten lightweights would have murdered lee"? . I can not agree.

There is a big diference between a boxing ring and the street. Lee respected boxers, indeed he was a boxing champion of HK. But the ring is the ring and the street is the street. I think that most who post here realize that your comparisons are apples to oranges.

As for Sifu Bruce's legacy: It is not his fighting ability, although that is legendary. His legacy is his thinking. Great phisical ability comes and goes with each generation. But Lee's ideas live on in those of us who read his works and attempt to folow his guidance on the pathless path.

Merry Christmas to all.

[lucidmist]

Hi!

Ok, what I posted from the beginning was really just a topic starter, I really want to know the truth of Bruce Lee's ability. However, not from people who didn't know him, that say he couldn't do this or that. I was hoping that eventually, a real comment from someone who really knew him would either say he was for real, or he wasn't. Notice I quoted from other sources because that was what I could find from people who knew him. For negative stuff about his fighting ability, so far, only from people who didn't actually know him. Ok, don't start up about things like it's cos of profitability and money, cos at the end of the day, that's conjecture too, and it's insulting many of the old masters. Ultimately, if it's true that he couldn't fight, SOMEONE who knew him would think so, and say so. The only one I came across so far was Joe Lewis, who said Bruce was a teacher, not a fighter. But I really would like to know if there's more comments like these from people who actually knew him.

I never said he could kick EVERYbody's ass. I said I believe he could fight. Like I said before, come on, even if we just practised one block, one kick, one punch, over and over again, and sparred, we should at least gain some level of proficiency. He truly practised and had real street fights, so even if he wasn't Godlike like so many people claim him to be, I believe he definitely could fight.

As for Bruce's physique, you ought to observe better. He worked every single part of his body. I'm not sure if it was to his max potential (or a human's), but every muscle of his body was very well developed, AND defined. You said ANY high school guy's body could be that way. Well, OF COURSE if someone trained like crazy he would get that body too. It's up to us to train hard enough. But if you said anyone randomly could have that physique, then maybe you ought to think twice.

[lucidmist]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

In your last post, you stated that you always ended up semi-wrestling with the guy attacking you. That's grappling/infighting range. Perfect for all the harder weapons (head, elbow, knee), lots of sweeps, throws and biting if you have to.

Bodybuilding isn't the best kind of weight training for fight conditioning. Its not bad, but your goal is to increase your maximum strength or increase your power delivery. You're looking at lifting heavy loads with few reps or light loads with a high number of reps done somewhat quickly.

Your focus isn't on doing isolation moves as much; more on compound excercises that work several groups at once.

Tom Yum, thanks for the tips man. You're right, just over these last few short weeks, my body improved. It was stagnant for awhile, and no matter how hard I worked out or trained, it just remained the way it was. Now, it's like a sudden burst, I feel progress again, and my energy levels are through the roof. I work out on the heavy bag for 1-2 hours non-stop, without even feeling tired. If not for my work schedule, I could go on for another hour or two. I'm sure of it!

Anyway, do you have any experience with weight gainers? My metabolism is so fast that, if I even miss a meal, I seem to lose weight and muscle almost immediately. Will weight gainers help?

Thank you, truly appreciate the help. It's really a surprise what a little change in training pattern can do.

[Ghost]

by well developed it depends what you mean, in terms of actual physique he was small and what would be commonly referred to as toned, he was well developed in the sense you would refer to a bodybuilder. i think that was the other guys point about saying weider wouldnt have felt that bruce had an amazing physique because he didnt. he was ripped and for the want of a better word, toned.