If You Only Had One Range

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

Good points Bodhi, I agree with all the strengths of Clinch Range.

What I was defining as Weapons range is the distance, space and time to draw and use a weapon of choice, be that edged, blunt or ballistic. For many I appreciate that puts it right to the top of the list, but some people have no experience/training in weapons or no legal right to carry them. So I wanted to leave it open for all.


Anyway, good points again, thanks.

When I was talking about "weapon range" I was trying to imply that the range itself determines the weapon. If you're close enough to head butt the guy then THAT'S your weapon, your elbows, knees and techniques for toppling are all good weapons in the so called clinch range. (Weapon range)

[eXcessiveForce]

Originally Posted by Michael Wright

ha ha. When I was 16 or 17, I was a blue belt in TKD at the local YMCA club in Wakefield - which basically meant I thought I was Jean Claude Van Damme. I was walking home with a girl one night (this is completely true, you couldn't make it up) and she asked me to show her some moves. I said I could kick way above her head and would show her a reverse crescent kick (my forte at the time). She stood still, I prepared myself......not realising that it was November, it was Yorkshire, and it was slippy. I LAUNCHED my special ninja move...........not only did my supporting foot give way and I fell flat on my back, but in the process I kicked this poor girl in the face with my DM boot!!

And guess what, she stayed with me for 4 years! So when people say high kicks don't work.....in your face mate! (literally)

You knocked her out that long? where did you keep her in your basement?

[Bullseye]

Difficult question.

I would have to go with boxing/punching range simply because most fights end to start from conversation distance. Therefore it makes sense to specialise in the range which is most suitable for this distance. The down side is that everyone will expect you to punch in a confrontation, and everyone can punch. Not saying everyone on "the street" has proper technique, but as we know, even a technically crappy haymaker has the potential to take teeth or consciousness if it lands.

I think that clinch is a nasty range because most people don't know how to operate in it correctly. The instinctive reaction against the "Thai plum" is usually wrong, and gives the "clincher" plenty of time to work some knees on the "clinchee."

Grappling is also devasting one on one when the other party is clueless on the ground. Unless he/she is a physical monster capable of powering out of whatever you try to apply. DISCLAIMER: I know everyone already knows this.

So I think grappling and clinching are great ranges to go to, due to the reletive inexperience that untrained (and even trained) fighters have with them. The obvious downsides being that they require close proximity with an adversary, and grappling in particular could well be suicidal.

I haven't touched on weapons, because over in here tropical, sunny Europe, only criminals are allowed to have them. If I use a gun or knife, I will be up the creek without a paddle when Johnny law gets hold of me.

So punching ranges it is then.

[Blendid]

With out a shadow of a doubt it would be weapons range, for it is the one great equlizer in a confrontatrion, if you put an edged weapon into the hands of a practitioner that knows how to use it it does not matter the size of the opponent or art they practice the edged weapon will always come out on top it only takes one slash or thrust to end the fight.

Blendid

World Class Martial Arts Academy: Home Page

[fire cobra]

Originally Posted by Blendid

With out a shadow of a doubt it would be weapons range, for it is the one great equlizer in a confrontatrion, if you put an edged weapon into the hands of a practitioner that knows how to use it it does not matter the size of the opponent or art they practice the edged weapon will always come out on top it only take one slash or thrust to end the fight.

Blendid

World Class Martial Arts Academy: Home Page

Weapons range bro? which weapon? staff? sword? bolo? Kermbit,Gun?,Hand grenade? all weapons with different ranges.

[Blendid]

As it says edged weapon ie anything with a sharp egde assuming we are at close quater and my opponent does not come with explosives strapped to his arse, edged weapons would be my chioce. based upon the other available ranges kicking punching trapping & grappling I would take the blade.
Enter with a kick your cut
Enter with a punch your cut
close the distance to trap your cut
shoot for a takedown your stabbed

Blendid

www.wcmaacdemy.com

[Tant01]

Edged weapons "range" can start for me about ten feet away.

Long before he can kick or punch or close the gap...

Originally Posted by Blendid

As it says edged weapon ie anything with a sharp egde assuming we are at close quater and my opponent does not come with explosives strapped to his arse, edged weapons would be my chioce. based upon the other available ranges kicking punching trapping & grappling I would take the blade.
Enter with a kick your cut
Enter with a punch your cut
close the distance to trap your cut
shoot for a takedown your stabbed

Blendid

www.wcmaacdemy.com

[Blendid]

If he is ten feet away with an edged weapon then it is no longer close quater as you suggest, so projectile weapons of any kind would then be the weapon of choice so at ten feet he is either attacking me with a sharp projectile weapon or carrying a pretty long sword spear lance etc the latter may be a little dificult to conceal on the street wich would raise the question are you happy to see me sir or is that a lance in your pocket!

Joking aside weapon range covers all manner of ranges from a high powerd telescopic rifle at extremely long range for which i have yet to uncover any defense against, to a knife in close quater i was humbly stating that at close quater a knife would be my weapon of choice as opposed to striking kicking or grapling.

Blendid
World Class Martial Arts Academy: Home Page

[fire cobra]

Originally Posted by Blendid

As it says edged weapon ie anything with a sharp egde assuming we are at close quater and my opponent does not come with explosives strapped to his arse, edged weapons would be my chioce. based upon the other available ranges kicking punching trapping & grappling I would take the blade.
Enter with a kick your cut
Enter with a punch your cut
close the distance to trap your cut
shoot for a takedown your stabbed

Blendid

www.wcmaacdemy.com

One stab,thrust or cut doesnt always end the fight bro,having said that give me a blade over any other weapon close quarter,especially a hidden blade.

[Tant01]

With all due respect...

Yes. My brother and I were just talking about throwing his little axe. (A bladed weapon?) three full rotations takes about 25 feet.

If I can stick a knife from ten feet "Close Quarters" starts if we're in the same room...



I understand your hands on approach with the blade. I usually (always) have a small karambit in my pocket...



As it is my weapon of choice.

Originally Posted by Blendid

If he is ten feet away with an edged weapon then it is no longer close quater as you suggest, so projectile weapons of any kind would then be the weapon of choice so at ten feet he is either attacking me with a sharp projectile weapon or carrying a pretty long sword spear lance etc the latter may be a little dificult to conceal on the street wich would raise the question are you happy to see me sir or is that a lance in your pocket!

Joking aside weapon range covers all manner of ranges from a high powerd telescopic rifle at extremely long range for which i have yet to uncover any defense against, to a knife in close quater i was humbly stating that at close quater a knife would be my weapon of choice as opposed to striking kicking or grapling.

Blendid
World Class Martial Arts Academy: Home Page

[kingoftheforest]

If I had to choose one, then I'd choose punching range. Kicking usually is just used to get in the door for what I've trained with.

Most self defense situation begin in punching range. Bar fight, mugging, assault.
The normal instigator I've seen in must public situations is the push. Or the shoulder bump. At this range I can punch and stomp kick without having to grapple or clinch.

Good old chin jab and stomp from WWII combatives. This also puts me in range to deal with and or use any weapons most commonly found in the civilian arena.

All this just from punching range, plus I still would be in range to grab you if need because to be able to hit you I have to touch you, which means I can grab you.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by kingoftheforest

If I had to choose one, then I'd choose punching range. Kicking usually is just used to get in the door for what I've trained with.

Most self defense situation begin in punching range. Bar fight, mugging, assault.
The normal instigator I've seen in must public situations is the push. Or the shoulder bump. At this range I can punch and stomp kick without having to grapple or clinch.

Good old chin jab and stomp from WWII combatives. This also puts me in range to deal with and or use any weapons most commonly found in the civilian arena.

All this just from punching range, plus I still would be in range to grab you if need because to be able to hit you I have to touch you, which means I can grab you.

AKA "Tiger Claw" Interesting thing about hand on face is how nice your fingers fit the orbits from the thrusting palm to the chin straight into both eyes.

variations of that stomp from another angle will cripple a guy... It's all VERY destructive and requires some INTENT but it's not so complex. I like it! Puts the FUN in fundamental.

It's also a good set up for reaping throws!!! LOL

Did you know you can find this in the Atemi Waza of judo kata? The "kick" (stomp) and the thrusting open hand strike AND the eye gouge...

A lot of folks (including judo guys) have NO IDEA! Imagine that?

[kingoftheforest]

Yeah the reaping kicks take some finesse. The stomp is for quick learning. Love both to death.

It is very fundamental judo. exactly Tant. But it's not what's taught today and many people don't follow the INTENT you mentioned.

Judo's some great stuff.

[fire cobra]

Originally Posted by Tant01

AKA "Tiger Claw" Interesting thing about hand on face is how nice your fingers fit the orbits from the thrusting palm to the chin straight into both eyes.

variations of that stomp from another angle will cripple a guy... It's all VERY destructive and requires some INTENT but it's not so complex. I like it! Puts the FUN in fundamental.

It's also a good set up for reaping throws!!! LOL

Did you know you can find this in the Atemi Waza of judo kata? The "kick" (stomp) and the thrusting open hand strike AND the eye gouge...

A lot of folks (including judo guys) have NO IDEA! Imagine that?

Which stomp are you guys reffering to ?.

I have a good book on Judo Katas and yeah the palm heel etc is all in there.

And how about the good old chop to the Carotid atery,always worked and always will.

[Michael Wright]

judo chop!