What other arts make up JKD?

[Grixti]

I have been doing a lot of research into what martial art to do and it has come to my attention that a mix is obviously the best solution. So why not learn an art that is a mix in itself? Is there such thing?.... JKD?

I have read a bit about JKD and notice that Bruce Lee used elements from different styles. So what styles is JKD made of? What makes it an original or unique style? Is it a mix of other styles or am i mistaken?

Any info, opinions, links or vids on this topic would be great.

Thanks!

[g-bells]

Jkd is made up of Wing Chun,Fencing and western boxing

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Grixti

I have been doing a lot of research into what martial art to do and it has come to my attention that a mix is obviously the best solution. So why not learn an art that is a mix in itself? Is there such thing?.... JKD?

I have read a bit about JKD and notice that Bruce Lee used elements from different styles. So what styles is JKD made of? What makes it an original or unique style? Is it a mix of other styles or am i mistaken?

Any info, opinions, links or vids on this topic would be great.

Thanks!

Not sure what's left here after the recent crash but try the search function. This topic is not new.

There is a fundamental structure to Jeet Kune Do. It is it's own (Non-classical) style of kung fu. While some elements of it may borrow from fencing principles and western boxing it is not so much a blend as it is an accumulation of things that are useful. It is also discarding the things that are not.

Stick to the basics.

[PFSofPA]

It can be made up of many particpating arts such as but not limited to:
Wing Chun, fencing, western boxing, Filipino martial arts, Silat, Savate, Muay Thai, BJJ, Sambo, Catch wrestling, wrestling, etc.

Then distinguish this between Original and Concepts and you'll get some interesting answers and interpretations.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by PFSofPA

It can be made up of many particpating arts such as but not limited to:
Wing Chun, fencing, western boxing, Filipino martial arts, Silat, Savate, Muay Thai, BJJ, Sambo, Catch wrestling, wrestling, etc.

Then distinguish this between Original and Concepts and you'll get some interesting answers and interpretations.

LOL You forgot Judo?

Some not so FAMOUS quotes from Mr. Tim Tackett;




As for JKD, it has a basic structure. (italics mine)

If you study a lot of different arts you either have to:
1. Learn many different structures.
or
2. Keep 1 structure and only add that which is better than what you have or adds something that you are lacking but fits the structure.

If you no longer have the JKD structure, can what you are doing be called JKD or even Jun Fan?

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I believe that there is something called Jeet Kune Do. If you took from Bruce Lee in 1960 it was mostly based on wing chun and was called Jun Fan Gung Fu or Bruce Lee's Gung Fu. If you took it in 1964 in Oakland a different stance was used and boxing was added. If you took it in 1969 it was called Jeet Kune Do and was heavily influenced by Western fencing theory. At that time there were basic principles that defined JKD. (emphasis mine)

Some of these principles that Bruce taught were:
1. No passive defense.
2. Intercepting not blocking. To do this efficiently you have to have your strong hand forward.
3. Daily minimize instead of daily increase.
4. Controlling distance and time.
If you have 40 different techniques to deal with a straight lead punch is that JKD?
If you don't use JKD structure are you still doing JKD?

You still need to look at other arts and do as much research as possible and not be bound by what was taught in 1970, but don't add for the sake of adding. Add only what fills a gap in your offense or defense. Try to have the minimum responses to a single stimulus. Don't bother learning techniques that only work against someone who is no good. Make sure that it will work against any opponent. Bruce Lee told Bob Bremer, "The best (way) to win the fight is just to reach over and knock him out."

Work on being able to do that.


T. Tackett.
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[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Grixti

I have been doing a lot of research into what martial art to do and it has come to my attention that a mix is obviously the best solution. So why not learn an art that is a mix in itself?

Is there such thing?.... JKD?

I have read a bit about JKD and notice that Bruce Lee used elements from different styles. So what styles is JKD made of? What makes it an original or unique style? Is it a mix of other styles or am i mistaken?

Any info, opinions, links or vids on this topic would be great.

Thanks!

I have some questions for you. What drew your attention to the conclusion that "a MIX IS OBVIOUSLY THE BEST solution"? Best for what?

Mixed martial art is not JKD. MMA is just MMA. Take what you like, whatever it is that works best for you.

Bruce was a lot of things. I see him as a STUDENT of the arts. He didn't just read it or watch it. He did it. He experimented with things other artists hadn't even considered.

We learn from experience. Your experience is going to be unique to YOU.

It doesn't need to be Juan Fan... (JKD)

[Grixti]

Originally Posted by Tant01

I have some questions for you. What drew your attention to the conclusion that "a MIX IS OBVIOUSLY THE BEST solution"? Best for what?

What i meant by that is to be a superior overall fighter it seems to me that you need to learn at least one style for stand up fighting and one for the ground - a mix. Because i heard Bruce Lee used aspects from variouse other martial arts i thought that the art itself - JKD - might cover all aspects of a fight, rather than boxing/kickboxing: standup, or BJJ: ground work.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Grixti

What i meant by that is to be a superior overall fighter it seems to me that you need to learn at least one style for stand up fighting and one for the ground - a mix. Because i heard Bruce Lee used aspects from variouse other martial arts i thought that the art itself - JKD - might cover all aspects of a fight, rather than boxing/kickboxing: standup, or BJJ: ground work.

Much depends on your view of a "fight". What comes to mind when you say Superior overall fighter?

I think of GI "Joe" throwing hand grenades! The platoon leader that other men look to for the warrior role model.

JKD is a very good style. No doubt.

[Razinghell]

I was taught that Bruce, himself, integrated techniques, theorys and concepts from 26 different arts. But obviously no one really knows and if someone says they do they would have had to hear it directly from Bruce himself or they are making an educated guess just like we all are.

[nathan rd]

In theory, JKD is made up of whatever is effective for you in your circumstances. In practice, Bruce Lee's JKD was based on Wing Chung and borrowed from fencing, boxing, Muay Thai, Jujutsu, Savate, and Judo. Read The Tao of Jeet Kune Do for more insight into the arts that Sifu Bruce studied.

[jm1978]

Acc. to Guro Vunak, jkd is not a composite of many arts. JKD uses the best 1% to 5% of various arts to create to seamless approach to fighting that can make smooth transitions into and out of ranges. I remember a Wong article that compared jkd to the Suzuki violin method. JKD gets you to your goal as fast as possible, but just as a violinist will not go onstage and perform Suzuki exercises, neither will a fighter just robotically do everything Bruce did. In other words, process not product. But this is different than being a composite art.

[Larsson]

JKD as Bruce Lee did it was just wing chun, fencing and boxing. However do not look at it as a mishmash of the arts. Everything about JKD is scientific, Bruce Lee reverse engineered these arts down to their foundamentals, with that he created JKD.

MMA isnt JKD, mma is just preferance to certain arts there is no science involved.

As for the 26 arts that Razinghell talks about you have to remember Tao was not written by Bruce Lee, they are just collection of his notes gathered together . He may of looked at 26 arts but that was to study things he may encounter, he probably did this to find the 5 ways of attack -5 possible ways in which a human can attack, then build his art around using and defeating these (2 arms 2 legs...you remember the interview)

Tant01 great post, Tackett is 100% right

[caltrop]

Hi. I wouldn't try to tell anything to the folks on this forum, but I just had coffee this morning with my Sifu and he discussed this very subject. From his perspective, JKD is not something he defines as an amalgam of 'x, y, and z' styles. To him, it's more about how you learn to use your own unique body/mind/self to maximize your potential. Rather than using 'x' kick from 'y' style, he would ask the question "Have you maximized your ability to use of that kick?". If so, you own it. It's part of the *insert your name here* style, and you can use it as needed.

Anyway, like I said I'm just throwing in this post because it was told to me six hours ago. =)

[Tant01]

Welcome and thank you.

Press on...

[Michael Wright]

Originally Posted by caltrop

Hi. I wouldn't try to tell anything to the folks on this forum, but I just had coffee this morning with my Sifu and he discussed this very subject. From his perspective, JKD is not something he defines as an amalgam of 'x, y, and z' styles. To him, it's more about how you learn to use your own unique body/mind/self to maximize your potential. Rather than using 'x' kick from 'y' style, he would ask the question "Have you maximized your ability to use of that kick?". If so, you own it. It's part of the *insert your name here* style, and you can use it as needed.

Anyway, like I said I'm just throwing in this post because it was told to me six hours ago. =)

Very good post, your Sifu sounds like a smart man.

Welcome.