NHB Competitions

NHBMARK1 · 04-20-2001, 12:15 PM

Anybody have an opinion as to why "JKD people"
don't seem to fare well in NHB competions?

asinger · 04-20-2001, 02:25 PM

I would have to say that many of the top people in NHB are JKD people. Let me explain that. Maybe they are not JKD people in the classic sence. But they are individuals that can fight in all ranges and can flow from one range to another seemlessly. I will even say that Randy C uses trapping in his fights.

Adam

Twisted up · 04-20-2001, 05:07 PM

AGREED very, VERY much asinger!

NHB people ARE JKD people!

Maxximus · 04-20-2001, 06:52 PM

In principle, i do agree that many MMA fighters can be considered JKD. But at the same time, I believe that there are certain reasons why guys technically trained under a "JKD" curriculum haven't been largely successful. First of all (and I've said this before) most JKD schools out there do not train with the mentality to be pro fighters. They are martial arts academies, but not necessarily fighters' gyms. If you are at a place that does not train with the "fighter's" intensity and does not have tough training partners to beat on you for endless rounds of brutal conditioning and sparring, then you will NOT become a great fighter no matter how good the technical/theoretical level of your teachings are.

Now as for the technical capabilities of JKD people, I think that this is also an issue. I firmly believe that Jun Fan is a great style to train in and offers a whole lot (and I know that there are lots of pure Jun fan practitioners out there that are extremely skilled). But at the same time, Jun Fan by itself to me seems technically unprepared and ill-suited to match up against NHB freestyle methods in an MMA situation. So don't expect any OJKD'ers to win Pride championships anytime soon. As for the Concepts guys, many of them spend lots of time perfecting techniques of Silat, Kali, etc. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but these systems are virtually irrelevant to MMA competition. To be sucessful in MMA, a Concepts guy would have to focus all his attention on plain ole kickboxing skills, tons sparring and delve deeply into submission grappling (obviously).

Anyways, that's my two cents for what its worth. Just my opinions

gungfuhero · 04-21-2001, 01:22 AM

It's not so much the fighting method, but rather the training method that creates champions. A JKD guy who trains like a pro fighter I think would have a lot of good points due to his familiarity with different ranges and methods as well as the "fitting in spirit". I think the often neglected aspect is how realistically the fighter trains. If you plan on diong well in Kickboxing you have to do it full contact and with lots of resistance. Same thing for grappling and especially trapping.

Twisted up · 04-21-2001, 10:20 AM

Bruce Lee said JKD was "Just a name...."

He understood that TRAINING was more important and that you must have intensity and "aliveness" in order to be a competent fighter.

Many JKD academies aren't nearly as intense as perhaps they need be.

I've heard Joe Lewis joke about JKD schools/seminars saying: "You can tell you're at a JKD seminar because no-one is sweating!"

I have found this is often the rule rather than the exception.

Train Hard!
John

04-20-2001, 05:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Twisted up Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 172 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	YES!!! AGREED very, VERY much asinger! NHB people ARE JKD people!

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Twisted up Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 172 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's just a name Bruce Lee said JKD was "Just a name...." He understood that TRAINING was more important and that you must have intensity and "aliveness" in order to be a competent fighter. Many JKD academies aren't nearly as intense as perhaps they need be. I've heard Joe Lewis joke about JKD schools/seminars saying: "You can tell you're at a JKD seminar because no-one is sweating!" I have found this is often the rule rather than the exception. Train Hard! John

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04-20-2001, 12:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
NHBMARK1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Massachusettes Posts: 143 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Anybody have an opinion as to why "JKD people" don't seem to fare well in NHB competions?

04-20-2001, 02:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
asinger Novice Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 3 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I would have to say that many of the top people in NHB are JKD people. Let me explain that. Maybe they are not JKD people in the classic sence. But they are individuals that can fight in all ranges and can flow from one range to another seemlessly. I will even say that Randy C uses trapping in his fights. Adam

04-20-2001, 06:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Maxximus Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 216 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In principle, i do agree that many MMA fighters can be considered JKD. But at the same time, I believe that there are certain reasons why guys technically trained under a "JKD" curriculum haven't been largely successful. First of all (and I've said this before) most JKD schools out there do not train with the mentality to be pro fighters. They are martial arts academies, but not necessarily fighters' gyms. If you are at a place that does not train with the "fighter's" intensity and does not have tough training partners to beat on you for endless rounds of brutal conditioning and sparring, then you will NOT become a great fighter no matter how good the technical/theoretical level of your teachings are. Now as for the technical capabilities of JKD people, I think that this is also an issue. I firmly believe that Jun Fan is a great style to train in and offers a whole lot (and I know that there are lots of pure Jun fan practitioners out there that are extremely skilled). But at the same time, Jun Fan by itself to me seems technically unprepared and ill-suited to match up against NHB freestyle methods in an MMA situation. So don't expect any OJKD'ers to win Pride championships anytime soon. As for the Concepts guys, many of them spend lots of time perfecting techniques of Silat, Kali, etc. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but these systems are virtually irrelevant to MMA competition. To be sucessful in MMA, a Concepts guy would have to focus all his attention on plain ole kickboxing skills, tons sparring and delve deeply into submission grappling (obviously). Anyways, that's my two cents for what its worth. Just my opinions

04-21-2001, 01:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
gungfuhero Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bloomington IN Posts: 317 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's not so much the fighting method, but rather the training method that creates champions. A JKD guy who trains like a pro fighter I think would have a lot of good points due to his familiarity with different ranges and methods as well as the "fitting in spirit". I think the often neglected aspect is how realistically the fighter trains. If you plan on diong well in Kickboxing you have to do it full contact and with lots of resistance. Same thing for grappling and especially trapping.

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