trapping and clinching

[dragoon]

what exactly is the difference between trapping and clinching?

[John McNabney]

Originally Posted by dragoon

what exactly is the difference between trapping and clinching?

Basic Ideal

(Clinching) Say two boxers are fighting and one is getting the best of the other one.... The one that is taking the pounishment might want to clinch at that point (smother the person so they don't get knocked -out)...


(Trapping) When you are throwing a punch or kick and there is a obstruction in your way of "hitting", you remove it to keep on hitting...



Keep "IT" Real,

[Tim McFatridge]

Clinching is what you see happen in the MMA matches all the time. You have the Thai clinch or "Plum" where you have both of your hands on the back of your opponents head and your forearms are going across his collar bones.

The standard Greco Roman clinch or wrestling clinch also called "collar and elbow" in Catch is when you have one hand on the back of your opponents neck for head control and your other hand is on the outside of his arm near the bend of his arm. He is in the same position as you.

Trapping is when you pin or "trap" your opponents hand or arm to his body so you can hit him but he can not hit you. You can also trap his feet by stepping on one of them when in close quarter.

Sorry Mr. McNabney you did a good job explaining it I just wanted to give a different example.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Tim McFatridge

Clinching is what you see happen in the MMA matches all the time. You have the Thai clinch or "Plum" where you have both of your hands on the back of your opponents head and your forearms are going across his collar bones.

The standard Greco Roman clinch or wrestling clinch also called "collar and elbow" in Catch is when you have one hand on the back of your opponents neck for head control and your other hand is on the outside of his arm near the bend of his arm. He is in the same position as you.

Trapping is when you pin or "trap" your opponents hand or arm to his body so you can hit him but he can not hit you. You can also trap his feet by stepping on one of them when in close quarter.

Sorry Mr. McNabney you did a good job explaining it I just wanted to give a different example.

This is good stuff, thank you.

If I may ad a thought or two I would say the the primary objective of trapping is getting the so called "attachment". Not so easy sometimes to get the arm trapped against his body.

Trapping (to me) includes a fair arsenal of tricks to open a line of attack or distract or draw a defensive reaction. Trapping can be almost any type of hand or foot immobilization type attack... Jamming, checking, slapping, grabbing, sliding, circling, etc...

I would enjoy reading more of your thoughts on the fundamentals of HIA ?

[fire cobra]

Originally Posted by Tim McFatridge

Clinching is what you see happen in the MMA matches all the time. You have the Thai clinch or "Plum" where you have both of your hands on the back of your opponents head and your forearms are going across his collar bones.

The standard Greco Roman clinch or wrestling clinch also called "collar and elbow" in Catch is when you have one hand on the back of your opponents neck for head control and your other hand is on the outside of his arm near the bend of his arm. He is in the same position as you.

Trapping is when you pin or "trap" your opponents hand or arm to his body so you can hit him but he can not hit you. You can also trap his feet by stepping on one of them when in close quarter.

Sorry Mr. McNabney you did a good job explaining it I just wanted to give a different example.

And may I add that Plam isnt the name for Grabbing the neck in Muay Thai,Plam is the word for wrestling in Thai,grabbing the neck has a few different names lock Kor being one of them.

My pet dislike is when people think the Thai clinch just comprises of grabbibg the neck with 2 hands,actually modern day fighters rarely get hold of the neck with both hands its to hard to get that technique on a good boxer.

[Ajjardin]

Trapping and Clinching is the same thing. Well some traditional wing chun artist and typical mma'ers would disagree. But trapping in essence is attacking by Immobilizing or isolating opponents limbs/body, and in clinching this is usually the goal.

but in my experience wing chun scenarios like bong sao-lop sao-pak sao type action is a low probablity in actual fighting or sparring. most common to me is over & under clinching or a single pak sao or a single lop sao.

understanding clinching type scenarios would help more than traditional trapping scenarios

"Nothing works all the time but everything works some time" Hock

[Stephen Mullins]

Originally Posted by fire cobra

And may I add that Plam isnt the name for Grabbing the neck in Muay Thai,Plam is the word for wrestling in Thai,grabbing the neck has a few different names lock Kor being one of them.

My pet dislike is when people think the Thai clinch just comprises of grabbibg the neck with 2 hands,actually modern day fighters rarely get hold of the neck with both hands its to hard to get that technique on a good boxer.

I agree. I teach my students, many of whom are MMA competitors, that the two-handed neck control -- working the prummb -- is an ideal position. From practical experience (sparring) I try to explain that most of the time you won't be able to (1) get it or (2) keep it for very long, but it still a great idea to try to work for it.

Greg Nelson of Minnesota has a fantastic two-tape series on the Clinch, available from trainingblades.com. (See a youtube.com clip at: YouTube - Greg Nelson's Muay Thai Clinch.) His fighters have done well in Muay Thai competitions as well as MMA matches and one of the reasons he believes they have is the extra time they spend working clinch drills with partners.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

How is trapping trained exactly? Can you spar using it like when training stand up?

[Ajjardin]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

How is trapping trained exactly? Can you spar using it like when training stand up?

Ya Just grab a limb when ever its in the way, Pull it, then Punch. But the whole goal of trapping:

is to hit,

secondary goal:

is to control your opponent for the moment of while u attack for your own safety.

But dont trap just to trap. Mainly Trap to Hit.

keep those ideas in mind and your body will eventually find a way

[Stephen Mullins]

Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

How is trapping trained exactly? Can you spar using it like when training stand up?

Trapping is only used when there is some sort of attachment. Assuming a left lead versus left lead scenario, the basic example is when you throw a left jab and the opponent gives you a left hand block. If the outside of your arms are touching high, that's called a high outside reference position/attachment. This is when a right pak sao (slap block from Wing Chun and Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do) presents itself and you remove the barrier and continue with the left punch. The idea is to remove the barrier -- the block -- not to go in with the idea of trapping. This is just one example of several and each example would have a slightly different solution. But as my former instructor Burton Richardson likes to say, "Think hit. The idea is to hit the opponent, not to trap his arm with a slap block. You only trap if there is something in your way" (paraphrased). In order to train trapping, I would suggest a couple of different methods:

1. Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do

2. Panantukan (Empty-handed Filipino Kali)

They are slightly different, but each offers its own benefits. Jun Fan is a little more Wing Chun-oriented and Panantukan is more boxing-oriented. Both are excellent systems to work out of for help with trapping.

However, before you even start trying to work trapping drills with a partner, I strongly suggest some competence in basic boxing and kickboxing structure. I'm not sure if you have this competence, but without this foundation, trapping is useless because you have to have the striking foundation first and some sense of range and timing.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Originally Posted by Ajjardin

Ya Just grab a limb when ever its in the way, Pull it, then Punch. But the whole goal of trapping:

is to hit,

secondary goal:

is to control your opponent for the moment of while u attack for your own safety.

But dont trap just to trap. Mainly Trap to Hit.

keep those ideas in mind and your body will eventually find a way

Ok then, its clinch fighting.