The Ultimate in Martial Arts

gungfuhero · 05-29-2001, 02:52 AM

"____ works" or "_____" is functional" is more appropriately expressed as "I can get ______ to work frequently." Why are so many so into giving absoluets and making blanket statements? It's your JKD, so who's to say what you can and can't do?

aseepish · 05-29-2001, 08:17 AM

Or how you can or can't write about it

MikeJKD · 05-30-2001, 05:34 PM

Isn't it a truism to say that "If I can get it to work in most situations, and so can 80%-90% of the people I train with, even (and especially) when working under sparring or fighting conditions, then it is an effective technique?"

Example:

Juji Getame arm-bars are effective when executed on an opponent who is mounted, in pain, and extending his arm to defend against head punches.

Cartwheeling into a back handspring and landing on your opponent's shoulders with a flying arm bar doesn't work.

Both true statements? I think so. Now, sure, people will light up the boards with "If you train it right's" and "Anything's Possible." Face it. I don't care what's possible. I am utterly concerned with what's probable. And when you find something that works 90% of the time, under the correct circumstances, and those circumstances are fairly common in realistic situations, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying "This works."

gungfuhero · 05-30-2001, 11:03 PM

I agree Mike, but I think that although there are certain things that are more probable, the blanket statements that technique "a" doesn't work bugs me (too many internet forum discussions for me

). Lately I keep hearing one person tell another that what they do doesn't work without ever seeing the first person. I don't know, I guess I'm just irritable lately.

MikeJKD · 05-31-2001, 11:05 AM

I get the same way. I think it's a lack of fighting...
Anyway, Broad statements, especially those aimed at people who are total strangers, are pretty presumptuous. I've seen some people do things very well that I would consider damn near useless for me. Herman Suwanda once choked out a person using nothing but his big toe. Not what I'd have called effective, but hey, it worked for him...
Mike

gungfuhero · 06-01-2001, 01:13 AM

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Some people just have the attributes to do some really unconventional things. They aren't god-like either.

You're right, it's a lack of fighting

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05-29-2001, 02:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
gungfuhero Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bloomington IN Posts: 317 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What works "____ works" or "_____" is functional" is more appropriately expressed as "I can get ______ to work frequently." Why are so many so into giving absoluets and making blanket statements? It's your JKD, so who's to say what you can and can't do?

05-29-2001, 08:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,758 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Or how you can or can't write about it __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

05-30-2001, 05:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
MikeJKD Novice Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 144 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Isn't it a truism to say that "If I can get it to work in most situations, and so can 80%-90% of the people I train with, even (and especially) when working under sparring or fighting conditions, then it is an effective technique?" Example: Juji Getame arm-bars are effective when executed on an opponent who is mounted, in pain, and extending his arm to defend against head punches. Cartwheeling into a back handspring and landing on your opponent's shoulders with a flying arm bar doesn't work. Both true statements? I think so. Now, sure, people will light up the boards with "If you train it right's" and "Anything's Possible." Face it. I don't care what's possible. I am utterly concerned with what's probable. And when you find something that works 90% of the time, under the correct circumstances, and those circumstances are fairly common in realistic situations, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying "This works." __________________ "Nature is ruled by the redness of fang and claw." -Ernest Hemingway "The God of War hates those who hesitate." -Euripides

05-31-2001, 11:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
MikeJKD Novice Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 144 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I get the same way. I think it's a lack of fighting... Anyway, Broad statements, especially those aimed at people who are total strangers, are pretty presumptuous. I've seen some people do things very well that I would consider damn near useless for me. Herman Suwanda once choked out a person using nothing but his big toe. Not what I'd have called effective, but hey, it worked for him... Mike __________________ "Nature is ruled by the redness of fang and claw." -Ernest Hemingway "The God of War hates those who hesitate." -Euripides

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05-30-2001, 11:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
gungfuhero Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bloomington IN Posts: 317 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree Mike, but I think that although there are certain things that are more probable, the blanket statements that technique "a" doesn't work bugs me (too many internet forum discussions for me ). Lately I keep hearing one person tell another that what they do doesn't work without ever seeing the first person. I don't know, I guess I'm just irritable lately.

06-01-2001, 01:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
gungfuhero Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bloomington IN Posts: 317 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	That's exactly what I'm talking about. Some people just have the attributes to do some really unconventional things. They aren't god-like either. You're right, it's a lack of fighting .

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