are limb destructions effective?

[BellyOfTheBeast]

I was just wondering what everyones experience with limb destructions was and how they felt about them, mainly elbow destructions,(where if someone was to jab or cross you lift your elbow up or guide thier hand/knuckles into your elbow) if there is a technical name for I don't know. I love doing them and practicing them in my class with boxing gloves but how effect are they? Your accuracy and timing has to be pretty good. Has anyone actually used one in a fight? Also if someone were to jab or punch me with a lot of force would that effect my elbow in any way? Thanks ahead of time.

[SD fma]

Hi Belly,

They work great-especially if you are trying to transition from a longer range to a more moderate range. If you ever have end up sparring with light gloves (i.e. fingerless, Chuck Norris-type padded gloves), try a half to three quarter power punch. It is extremely effective. I have a co-worker who has a shotokan background (yondan-sp?). He experienced being on the working end of a limb destruction with an elbow. For about a week he was still black and blue and did not want to play anymore. And that was with a 16 oz. glove!

Keep practicing it-it is an easy technique to learn, it is absolutely applicable to streetfighting, and it just may make the difference if you need to defend yourself.

By the way, your elbow won't feel a thing! And if it does, your poor opponent will be hurting more!

SD fma

[sikal]

Originally posted by BellyOfTheBeast
I was just wondering what everyones experience with limb destructions was and how they felt about them, mainly elbow destructions,(where if someone was to jab or cross you lift your elbow up or guide thier hand/knuckles into your elbow) if there is a technical name for I don't know. I love doing them and practicing them in my class with boxing gloves but how effect are they? Your accuracy and timing has to be pretty good. Has anyone actually used one in a fight? Also if someone were to jab or punch me with a lot of force would that effect my elbow in any way? Thanks ahead of time.

I think SD FMA said it pretty well. I'll just throw in that, in the FMA, this technique (or, more specifically, the principle used in this technique and the category into which it falls) is "gunting."

Gunting means "scissors" so any time you've got a shearing motion (as you do in this with your hand and elbow) it can be considered a "gunting."

Mike

[aseepish]

Shin/knee destructions work great especially if your opponent doesn't have much in the way of shin conditioning.

The passive elbow to punch becomes natural after you drill it for a couple of months. If you have the timing to parry/pat a punch, you have the timing to do a nice elbow destruction.

Guntings take a little more work to pull off under stress (at least they did for me). I can do them without difficulty in a controlled situation, out of hubud or chisao for example, but in sparring I find them tough to pull off. Oh well, I guess I have to keep working at them.

-Tony

[sikal]

Originally posted by aseepish
Shin/knee destructions work great especially if your opponent doesn't have much in the way of shin conditioning.

The passive elbow to punch becomes natural after you drill it for a couple of months. If you have the timing to parry/pat a punch, you have the timing to do a nice elbow destruction.

Guntings take a little more work to pull off under stress (at least they did for me). I can do them without difficulty in a controlled situation, out of hubud or chisao for example, but in sparring I find them tough to pull off. Oh well, I guess I have to keep working at them.

-Tony

A nice version that a friend of mine got very good at during sparring was to use it as a preemptive attack instead of as a responsive attack. For instance, if he was within range of the guy's lead hand, rather than wait for the punch, he would simply pull the fist down into the elbow ... like a jut sao (I think would be the Jun Fan term for the motion). This took less timing than parrying a punch into the elbow.

Mike

[gungfuhero]

Where I train we call the elbow destruction the siko, but as Crafty Dog says "There's a rule in Filipino Martial Arts that there can't be common terminology."

I'm more Jun Fan oriented, so I typically do more stop hits and lin sil da. However, I've found limb destructions most valuable when I was on the defensive end against a dominating striker. Rather than just covering up and taking it, I would sneek an elbow spike to the delt or to the fist or even work guntings for that matter. So I guess you could say that they are mostly an ABD tool for me.

[sikal]

Originally posted by gungfuhero
Where I train we call the elbow destruction the siko, but as Crafty Dog says "There's a rule in Filipino Martial Arts that there can't be common terminology."

I'm more Jun Fan oriented, so I typically do more stop hits and lin sil da. However, I've found limb destructions most valuable when I was on the defensive end against a dominating striker. Rather than just covering up and taking it, I would sneek an elbow spike to the delt or to the fist or even work guntings for that matter. So I guess you could say that they are mostly an ABD tool for me.

The elbow itself is called "siko." :-)

Mike