The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Ryu (JKD?) · 08-08-2002, 07:49 PM

New found respect for HKE from plumb position
Many have heard me say I don't necessarily like the straight blast (although I think it very effective after a sucker punch, etc.) That's still the case, however I just finished up with some contact sparring with a friend of mine whose getting into the Bouncing business, and I've found out that my skill at headbutts, knees, and elbows has gotten a lot better mechanic wise, and strength wise.

I found that you can actually enter into the neck clinch position the same way you'd do it with a normal clinch. You don't necessarily have to straight blast, and can actually catch the opponent by surprise use the neck clinch as an "interception" itself.

Also, you've got to pull and push the opponent's head. You can't just hang on his neck or he'll punch you out. You've got to continue to make him lose balance, and come in with headbutts, knees to the groin, etc. Keeping your elbows close together, and constantly moving him makes it harder for him to clinch you at all or take you down.....however if he does get his arms around you switch into wrestling and judo clinch skills.

No real point to the post. Just that I have a little more confidence now in my HKE ability. I'll be training it lots more.... need a better stand up game anyway.

Ryu

Brokenmace · 08-08-2002, 08:37 PM

Yeah, HKE is cool! But didn't they teach you to rattle your opponent in the clinch to begin with? I never learned it any other way. Strange . . . I thought Thai boxers rattled in the clinch as a basic technique.

In class, they tell us we'll get killed if we just stand there, no matter what we're doing. So in the clinch you shake them, using their collar bone as a fulcrum across your forearms. Hurts like hell if done right!

When my Sifu did this to me, I couldn't do a damned thing to him. I was always being tossed around or jarred in place. It was wicked sick! And being rattled into a head butt's no fun either.

aseepish · 08-14-2002, 11:34 AM

I'll drink to that!

terry · 08-18-2002, 01:36 AM

I think the shake and bake is probably the better part of 1000 years old. Please be careful training with it. If your neck isn't strong (at Fairtex they do sets of 100 with 50 lbs suspended from their heads) you can get injured if an experienced guy turns it on.

Prior spinal column injuries is something I always check for when interviewing students.

T

08-08-2002, 07:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ryu (JKD?) Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 623 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	New found respect for HKE from plumb position New found respect for HKE from plumb position Many have heard me say I don't necessarily like the straight blast (although I think it very effective after a sucker punch, etc.) That's still the case, however I just finished up with some contact sparring with a friend of mine whose getting into the Bouncing business, and I've found out that my skill at headbutts, knees, and elbows has gotten a lot better mechanic wise, and strength wise. I found that you can actually enter into the neck clinch position the same way you'd do it with a normal clinch. You don't necessarily have to straight blast, and can actually catch the opponent by surprise use the neck clinch as an "interception" itself. Also, you've got to pull and push the opponent's head. You can't just hang on his neck or he'll punch you out. You've got to continue to make him lose balance, and come in with headbutts, knees to the groin, etc. Keeping your elbows close together, and constantly moving him makes it harder for him to clinch you at all or take you down.....however if he does get his arms around you switch into wrestling and judo clinch skills. No real point to the post. Just that I have a little more confidence now in my HKE ability. I'll be training it lots more.... need a better stand up game anyway. Ryu __________________ Sekkendo...

08-08-2002, 08:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Brokenmace Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 259 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, HKE is cool! But didn't they teach you to rattle your opponent in the clinch to begin with? I never learned it any other way. Strange . . . I thought Thai boxers rattled in the clinch as a basic technique. In class, they tell us we'll get killed if we just stand there, no matter what we're doing. So in the clinch you shake them, using their collar bone as a fulcrum across your forearms. Hurts like hell if done right! When my Sifu did this to me, I couldn't do a damned thing to him. I was always being tossed around or jarred in place. It was wicked sick! And being rattled into a head butt's no fun either. __________________ A broken mace is still a weapon.

08-14-2002, 11:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,758 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll drink to that! __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

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08-18-2002, 01:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
terry Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacifica, CA USA Posts: 571 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think the shake and bake is probably the better part of 1000 years old. Please be careful training with it. If your neck isn't strong (at Fairtex they do sets of 100 with 50 lbs suspended from their heads) you can get injured if an experienced guy turns it on. Prior spinal column injuries is something I always check for when interviewing students. T

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