Is JKD all it's cracked up to be? Is JKD really affective?

[crazyjoe380]

this is no way a disrepect to jkd i'm just bring up a thought and some questions..


will jkd be as good as it was suppose to be, seeing that bruce lee isn't around to correct everything.. the mistakes, the errors, the way things are done.

i've seen jkd represented in ufc and it lost to ken shamrock. it won some fights but he went to the ground and did some submissions.. no jkd was used.

bruce lee was fast, his way of the intercepting fist theory was good but not all students can do it. how many jkd students can really be as fast as him.. so is jkd as effective as when bruce was alive? is it affective against other martial artists? from what i have seen...

no..

i have seen jkd represented and they all lost so my question is... who teaches jkd? how is it passed on? jkd is a mixture of all styles? simualar to ninjitsu? grappling, stand up, weapons, ... etc..

i hasn't impressed me so far when it performed in the ufc.. so whats the deal?

[Ryu (JKD?)]

The "ufc" is JKD......

All the fighters in UFC are using "JKD"


JKD isn't a style, so it cannot be represented the way you're wanting it to. JKD is about winnning, and the best in the UFC do just that with "JKD" JKD is attributes, strength, speed, power, passion. The JKD ideal is to punch, kick, clinch, throw, and grapple. Submission "moves" are part of JKD.

It's really not too hard to figure out.

Ryu

[crazyjoe380]

ryu did i strike a nerve?

lol...

jkd is lots of styles but when they came out they were like "bruce lees fighting style JET KU DO or what ever.. and they lost. that's the point i'm making. it's all that you are talking about but still it aint the same.

or else jkd would be on top right? maybe i'm underestimating it. i just wanted to know that's all didn't mean for you to get all butt hurt about it

"not my jkd!!"

lolololololololol

[Ryu (JKD?)]

LOL, no I'm not mad. I consider what I do "JKD" I guess since I've been ranked and certified in it. However most of my stuff looks like MMA with other stuff like scenario drilling, de-escalation tactics, first strike principles, etc.

The people who claim they do "Bruce Lee's Jeet kune do!!" or even "jeet kune do!" itself are kinda funny in the UFC.

Only because the UFC itself is kind of what JKD is supposed to be about. Basically it comes down to this. You've got two arms and two legs. What's the best way for you to win with them?

Ryu

[Ryu (JKD?)]

I will say this though. And it may not go over well here.

But to bluntly answer your question about "JKD" being all it's cracked up to be........ well if you're talking about JKD people who argue about terminology or what trap comes after what, never spar, refuse to grapple, etc...... then my answer is

No. "JKD" is absolutely not what it's cracked up to be.


Ryu

[crazyjoe380]

ok got you.. then damn jkd is something i can do. if it's like that. cause i like mixed up s.hit like that.

thanks for clearing it up. so them fools in the ufc claiming jkd are basically just claimers?


lololol.. i was just looking at some site... and i like the way they train against muli fighters.. it was some black guys site.. he looks skilled....

i wonder if there is a jkd school in my area..

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Well the only "JKD" guy I remember in the UFC was Mr. Medina.
At the time he was close friends with Kimo and Joe Son and I wouldn't necessarily believe he was a long practitioner

He did go on to become a fairly skilled and actually pretty well respected MMA fighter. I'd consider him JKD now.

Check out a school in your area if you're curious. Make sure they spar and grapple.

The real problem with "JKD" is that it's too easy to see it as a "thing" (i.e. a style, martial art, etc.) and not a "mindset" which it really is meant to be. It's not just throwing arts together in a blend. JKD is the life long journey to reach your martial art "perfection." A fighter who trains, studies, incorporates skills, tests those skills, becomes stronger, faster, more experienced. That's the real JKD experience.

Good luck.

Ryu

[crazyjoe380]

dope.. you have a list of schools southern california??los angeles?...

[Ryu (JKD?)]

LA? Man you have a mecca of JKD and MMA over there. Dan Inosanto's school is there, and you can find a lot of PFS and train with Paul Vunak himself. I'd recommend him only because that's who I trained with.

A quick search engine search will provide lots of addresses.
Or just look in the phone book.

Ryu

[Zaose]

Hey guys,

Actually there seems to be three (generally) thoughts on JKD.

There are the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do peeps, they teach it as Bruce taught it, for example, 5 ways of attack, influences of Wing Chun, Fencing, Boxing, etc., the footwork, the stances, etc. They teach only what Bruce taught.

Then there are the Concepts folks. They teach modified Jun Fan *USUALLY*. Sometimes they keep the basics of Jun Fan, and add ground work, and other various things...

Then there are the people who say "MMA is JKD". That is, any hodgepodge of MA mixed together is JKD.

Personally, I think the first and second group are much closer than the third. I personally like the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, as it is the tools, footwork, stances and principles that Bruce himself taught. I feel this is truly Jeet Kune Do as it was meant to be.

I think the concept line is pretty close if they hold to most of Bruce's teachings.

The third is usually, in my opinion of course, a complete misunderstanding of Bruce's philisophical writings on JKD. Bruce spoke of JKD being a boat to take you across a river, that once you were across, that you could discard the boat (the name of JKD). What did he teach as the boat? Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, which he also described as "the only non-traditional CHINESE STYLE..." He himself called it a style. I think he refered to JKD in two forms: The physical side, the style if you will...the tools and principles of comabt. And the philisophical side of it, the mind of JKD if you will.

So, he himself was still on the boat, and I know I have never seen anyone as skilled in JKD as him, so I cannot imagine anyone being "on the shore" in reference to JKD, and that is why I still use the name. Someday, when I have completley mastered all of the tools, I may drop the name of JKD... but until then, I'm on the boat and learning the base tools.

Again, all my opinion

Zaose

I think the claim that "if you cross train then you are doing JKD" is bollocks. There are specific clubs, and they claim to teach JKD. What meaning does that have if your average Boxer takes a Judo class, and then HE also is supposedly a JKD pratitioner.

If it is like this, then all the "JKD" clubs should close.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Uh uh. Crosstraining isn't JKD. MMA isn't necessarily "JKD" either. But it's the ideal behind it. JKD is in Bruce's own words "not about petty technique, but of highly developed spirituality and physique."

JKD provides principles in itself (like interception, etc.) that give it it's own flavor so to speak. But the last thing JKD was supposed to be is a crystalized "thing" where you can seperate it from this and that. It's just not what the founder wanted.

So in my opinion.... if you asked Bruce who was the better "JKD" man, a passionate judoka who crosstrained in boxing to better understand himself, the limits of his art, and to train himself to respond more totally in combat.....or a "JKD" man who only tries to fight "Bruce's" way, worries always about lead foot forward, pak saos, and trying to always intercept with a finger jab, and rejects all other type of training simply because "Bruce didn't do it." ............. Well I think Bruce would pick the judoka/boxer as the real JKD man. It's just my humble opinion.

That doesn't mean crosstraining is the only thing JKD is about. JKD means "way of intercepting." Not ......."way of crosstraining."

But you take those principles and develop them to the highest level while expressing your individual nature. Being very good at the "pre-emptive" strike in a self-defense situation is truly "intercepting a fight." in my opinion.

So even though JKD has a guiding force behind it that distinguishes it from the "hodgepodge" of martial arts type mentality, the real "secret" to it (at least to me) is in the mastery of attributes and ranges....

I don't care how much you try and "intercept." If you're 400 pounds, can't fight with your techniques, and have no concept of flowing through ranges it's not JKD.


Hehe.

Ryu

[crazyjoe380]

medina lost to tank abbott.. i think..

[ap Oweyn]

erik paulson is the other JKD fighter, surely.

Yes, Erik Paulson comes from the JKD camp. But he also trained in Shooto in Japan, as well as Gracie Jiu Jitsu etc. And now he has his own "Combat Submission Wrestling" system.

So what does claiming to be JKD mean?