Your Jeet Kune Do or Mine?

[lethal_lee_jkd]

there isn't really much to analyse about.

[Freedom]

What do you mean?

[lethal_lee_jkd]

Yes thats true. Jun fan is the only part about which you can argue what is right and wrong. It is an established system of progression. JKD is your own personal expression of the martial arts, and its rude and arrogant to tell someone that their JKD is wrong.

And as for all of those authenticity and lineage arguments, did anyone ever wonder where Bruce Lee's lineage came from? He did his own research and discovered what was the best for him, rather than what the political minefield that is JKD told him to do, or told him what was right or wrong.

DItto.It's your own interpretation of your own roots.

[lethal_lee_jkd]

What do you mean?

Sorry I meant that in a reality street brawl there isn't really much to comtemplate,just do it

[Freedom]

Oh right. Yeah thats true. Just let it fly. Your opponent isn't gonna care who you train with or whether its "official" or not.

[white devil]

Bruce criticized karate for its brocken motions, and Wing Chun for its flashy techniques. Both, he said, were not ideal to use in actual combat...This is the reason for the creation of JKD which was designed to be used in real life situations...the goal of JKD is not to master certain techniques, but to let your body express the techniques in its own way. everyone has his own style, and JKD is a form of bringing it out. i dont think u can teach urself JKD unless you have solid bases in all the martial arts bruce studied and unified..(so did Inosanto)..MA such as boxing,wing chun,fencing,jujitsu,savate,kali and much more...

[Clooneytkd]

heres my take on it. i dont really care if im wrong, whatever. all you jkd pros can say what ever you wanna say about it, its just my take.
basically bruce lee didnt like a set style. he talked about flowing water. so taking that into consideration and all the junk he learned from all these other styles, like wing chung, boxing, fencing, grappling, ect he wanted to make his own system that flowed like water "to him." so for example he would start off by making a stance for him self. then a preffered kick, so on so forth. the way he threw his punches were to his own liking. when it came to combonations for example, he would start of with his jkd kick, then throw some boxing punches, then into wing chung, then into maybe a hold or a joint lock that he learned from some other martial art. in my "opinion" i think what he meant by using no way as a way, is to incorporate all the things you like about martial arts, and all the things that work for you into your own style. without being restricted by a martial art pattern, you can incorporate what works for you your own way. i think the the reason he started jkd in the first place was to show every one that you could make your own style thats just as effective as any martial art. and in his case it was the best because he could adapt when others styles couldnt because he wasnt constricted

[Tant01]

"No way" vs "Having no way".You have to have a way first before you can have no way. Having no way is definitely not the way either..

So, I'll go easy on you... Sometimes it's better to let the three year old threads REST IN PEACE!

[Tant01]

......JKD is your own personal expression of the martial arts, and its rude and arrogant to tell someone that their JKD is wrong.

....He did his own research and discovered what was the best for him, rather than what the political minefield that is JKD told him to do, or told him what was right or wrong.

It's only RUDE and ARROGANT if you do it like this:>>>


..................... PHUI! .......................WRONG!!

On the other hand correcting misconceptions about the nature of JKD is not rude or arrogant if it's done politely.

Many folks speculate about this or that being JKD. It's more than the only nonclassical style of Kung-Fu, it's a philosophy of combat, of intercepting the attack from any range, of sensitivity to the level of commitment or intent of an attacker, it's about the five ways of attack and thinking outside the box.

It's much more than your own personal expression of the martial arts or a collection of techniques. It's a method of training for the ultimate reality of combat. That doesn't mean that UFC or MMA is JKD... And it certianly does not mean that Joe Schmoe TKD is Jeet Kune Do. Jeet Tek Do maybe

Without the core concepts it can not be JKD...

There are a number of forum members right here that are more than qualified to teach Jeet Kune Do. I'm sure if someone actually bothered to ask kindly about the art known as JKD there would be a genuine JKD man kind enough to respond.

And if not I'll be more than happy to point the way to other websites with more JKD men...

There is no reason to remain in the dark...

All the best.

[ecamd1025]

There is no such thing as JKD. To learn JKD is to be bruce lee. Who here is bruce lee? Im not. Hes shorter than me. I weigh about the same. But Im not him. The name is nothing but something used to identify with what he is talking about. There is no JKD but what you make JKD to be. Your perception of it.

[Tant01]

There is no such thing as JKD. To learn JKD is to be bruce lee. Who here is bruce lee? Im not. Hes shorter than me. I weigh about the same. But Im not him. The name is nothing but something used to identify with what he is talking about. There is no JKD but what you make JKD to be. Your perception of it.

Yeah, so if a tree falls in a forest but no one is there to hear it, it didn't really fall at all...



What a load...

[dmcdonnell]

Ok, let me try this again..

I think the argument over lineage comes down to the fact that Sijo Bruce, authorized only 3 people to teach JKD.. Kimura, Lee, and Inosanto.

Sifu Inosanto, is by far the most active of the three men, James Lee passed away, Taky Kimura only taught a handful of people, although his son Andy has taken his fathers teachings and done much more..

that leaves Dan Inosanto, who even when Bruce was alive, taught 90% of the classes.. Bruce taught very few classes, and picked and chose people to train privately.. (ted Wong for example) and while they were personally taught by Bruce, they were never authorized to teach by him.

Dan promoted them to Instructor level after Bruce died. so in essence, Dan became their instructor at Bruces passing, and DAN granted them the license to teach. That makes the lineage pretty clear, at least to me..

As far as what JKD is and is not, Dan more than anyone was in the position to know, simply for the fact that Bruce used Dan's body to experiment on and develop his JKD. Dan was privy to things that no one else was. Bruce confided in Dan what he wanted taught and how, and only Dan has all the original JKD material that Bruce left him when he left for Hong Kong..

I think the name JKD "concepts" and "original" JKD, both do a disservice to JKD..

It is simply JKD, the "Pre 73 JKD or "Original JKD, is simply Jun Fan Gung Fu, which was Bruce Lee's STARTING point in his development of JKD..

As Bruce continued to develop and research different arts, Dan was right there getting all the thoughts and plans from Bruce. Thus to me it makes sense to me that Dan woudl know what Bruce wanted..

Not to say that Bruce wanted Dan to ad FMA and BJJ, and Shooto, etc, what I AM saying is that Bruce wanted Dan to continue to research and grow, and develop. and having been left at the helm by Bruce's passing, Dan took the path he took , and honored his teacher and friend by continuing the ath..

Dave

[Tant01]

my point got muddled and I decided to delete it.. I will think it through and put my thought up here later..

Dave

Look forward to the revised edition!


Ray

[kwai chang pain]

Wow, Bruce Lee. Martial artists will still be having these discussions about him in 100 years.

One of my teachers had an interesting point about Bruce Lee and traditional MA (I think he meant Wing Chun). He said something like "The forms are what made Bruce Lee so great/talented/etc. and he ended up turning his back on them."

I don't know if I agree with it, but is sure made me think.

[Jeet Kune Do1]

I believe many people have been led astray from the essence of Jeet Kune Do. Bruce Lee said that Jeet Kune Do was the art of expressing oneself. If you learn it from somebody how is that expressing yourself. I believe if you are expressing yourself freely and physically and that it feels right when you do it, then it could be called Jeet Kune Do.