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Old 07-05-2003, 06:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default List your top 5 Favorite personal JKD techniques.

List your top 5 Favorite personal empty handed JKD techniques.

You know I was thinking about what my favorite or most used physical techniques that are part of the frist core concepts that Bruce lee introduced as options for techniques in his expression and his JKD.

This came to mind wile I was driving the 800 miles back from training and thinking about one of the faze classes i took over the week, In the class the teacher was teaching techniques that I had already evolved out of as being to complicated for me to depend on in a realty based confrontation.

In addition, I remembered that Bruce Lees concept was for realty and then I thought about my core street stuff and what top five things I tended to use in a real street fight. I then thought about all of the instances of times I have had to survive and thought about what saved me and what I used the most instinctively when I have used empty hand techniques from JKD.

After I thought about it I thought about the differences between me and the average male JKD student and thought it would be interesting to see what all the men’s reply’s would be on here compared to mine and the different experience with the art of JKD based on such.

I am not listing my top favorite techniques overall but the top 5 original empty handed techniques out of Bruce lees core that I use the most in my personal arsenal of SDA and street techs.

The reason I say street fighting techniques or realty bases stuff is because based on what I have been taught by my teachers and read about Bruce Lees concepts by his original students, Bruce lees expression of JKD was meant to be an all out anything goes approach to fighting, it was intended to be nasty and had no rules.

Now understand I know that each person will have different things they use most based on there body and what they are capable of and why I find this question interesting.

Ok my top 5 Bruce Lee JKD Techniques that tend to come out instinctively when facing a realty based confrontation. Note: these are physical techs not mental or emotional.

1. The eye jab, eye gouge, eye strike (bil Jee)or throat rip
2. Double attacking, Front lead strike attacks
3. The Stop Hit (The Intercepting fist)
4. The Foot trap
5. (Tie for 5 I cant decide) Rear knee kick or Elbows to the face

Please remember I picked the criteria based on what came out in my realty-based situations, sparing situations and then in instinctive reaction wile doing scenario training. By no means is this the full range or list but, its mostly the top 5 empty handed instinctive things my body seems to want to do when in a fight.

Final note: this is only when facing an opponent without a weapon and only in empty hand confrontations. when a weapon is present i tend to do other things instinctively based on the different weapons i might be facing.

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Old 07-05-2003, 09:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I take it these will be your "bread and butter" moves you will rely on in a street confrontation. I've never been in a fight where my life had to depend on it so I can't really say. When potential problems have occurred when I have been out with friends etc, I'll just walk away and don't say anything.

Anyway, with this in mind, I am aware that most of my training will go out of the window. I think I'll have to flow into what is most comfortable for me at the time, or am working on as an automatic reflex:

1. Biu gee finger jab
2. Kick to the groin
3. I'm trying to get into the habit of getting in-close and elbowing in a clinch or possibly a hair pull
4. Lead hook - I'm not sure how well this would come into play in a street confrontation, but if I ever was in one, I would hope I could land this on someones chin because its my (and possibly everyone elses) most powerful lead hand tool.
5. Straight Blast - I know it's debatable whether this would work but if I'm in a life-or-death situation, I'm going to do the first thing that comes into my head. I will use this to put the other guy on the back foot in order to set me up for something else or to run.

Speaking of running, I think that would be the first thing I would do before all of this stuff.
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1. Palm heel cross to jaw line.
2. Lead hand Axe hand (knife hand) to throat/neck area.
3. Head butt to nose/lower face.
4. Elbow to lower face/side of neck.
5. Knees to groin/thigh.
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Not really JKD techniques per se, but things that work or have worked for me in the past (in no particular order):

1. Rear palm heel to chin/jaw
2. Anything+right (rear) hook/shovel hook punch combo to lower jaw/chin
3. Rear naked choke
4. Any clinching strikes
5. Rear vertial knee to thigh of standing or face of bent attacker

Other things that I like or have used successfully:
Rear cross
Shredding
Double/single leg takedown
O soto gari (leg reap throw)
Neck manipulations
Ear slap
Hammerfist
Finger jab
Web hand
Double thumb gouge

A little long-winded, but these are the things have done the trick.

Never been in a life or death streetfight, so I haven't attempted to use a web hand strike or axe hand to the throat with serious intent (have used the web to pick someone up though). However, I know people who have, so I trust these as well.
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Old 07-06-2003, 05:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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1. Front Punch
2. Stop Kick
3. Backfist
4. Hookick
5. Headbutt off a trapping combo

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For fun:
1. pak sau/lop sau or pak sau/jao sau/gaan sau counter
2. sliding in lead side-kick
3. rear high Thai-style hook-kick
4. Harimau-silat takedown or puta kepalah (head-turning throw)
5. Complicated gunting/destruction combos.

For combat:
1. headbutts, knees, and elbows from the clinch
2. teep (as a stop-hit)
3. knee-on-the-chest and blast
4. rear naked choke
5. 100m dash
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Old 07-07-2003, 06:03 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Let see,

#1. Split the cross(body shot with a follow up hook to close the distance)
#2. nao Tek(round kick)
#3. ping choi qua choi
#4. Triple safety
#5. Stop Kick (oblique)

Let's face it though, All roads lead to puta Kapala. I find myself fighting the urge to go in for it every time.
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As a fairly new student of JKD and M/A in general I thought that was an interesting question. However, with my lack of personal experience in streetfighting I probably couldn't give you a definitive list of five techniques.

I have mainly been working on stance, footwork, jabs, crosses, elbows/knees, basic low line kicks etc. but I am curious to know what types if life and death situatiuons you have found yourself in, how you think you got into them and how you managed to get yourself out of them. For someone like myself new to JKD I can't imagine having been in those situations before training in JKD and I still can't imagine. I have been trying to get my wife interested eanough to learn and maybe some of your experience can help persuade her?

I grew up with a friend Rudy Rocco- who was trained from a very young age in boxing, Kung Fu, JKD and Aikido. He was never a bully about it but sort of the big brother everyone ran to when they got into a problem. He always reminded me of the Fonze coming to the rescue of his friends. Although he was exceptional at all these styles and very big and intimidating he rarely ever had to fight on the street. I have seen him walk up to six or eight people sometimes weiling knives and noonchackus (I don't think numbers or weapons ever bothered him) and say something along the line- If you want to fight so and so, you'll have to fight me first- you're going to look silly with that blade wrapped around your neck or something like that- and that usually ended the situation right then and there.

From what I have seen him do he always seemed to depend on his: (This may not be exact but I think fairly close)

1.Brain First (diffuse the situation or intimidate the attacker- not to downplay the advantages in running but Rudy would never run no matter how many attackers he faced!)
2. Low line kicks to knees and groin
3. Feints or fakes to set up his next attack
4. Jabs (including eye jabs,)
5. Elbows/knees and a lot of trapping techniques.

He would usually finish off with one his devastating hooks upper cuts or crosses or a strike to the head, midsection or groin areas. If he got in close he would usually go from trapping to some aikido holds and/or throws.

As for myself, I suppose if it came down to it I could use some of the techniques I've been learning and practicing which might include:

1. Brain Power (hope i could diffuse the situation with running always an option)
2.Lead hand jab and rear hand cross and parry
3.Eye jab/ Palm strike to chin area
4.Low level groin, shin or hook kick
5. Elbows/Knees and environmental aides such as smashing his head on the wall, door or using an aide such as a beer bottle (if I was confident enough to use these)

Gret question-it makes you think about your training and your skills!
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Have never been in a fight, just sparring.

1. Overhand right(Igor Vovchanchin style, I'm short, this usually works well for me.)
2. Lead leg punt kick to groin after a boxing combo(Usually double jab or a 1-2.)
3. Jab-Cross-Rear Thai roundhouse kick.
4. Jut-sao into a head-butt.
5. Elbow destructions when my hands are up peek-a-boo style.
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I think Bruce Lee described 5 types of attack.

SDA is my favorite.

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Skinny Wrote:I am curious to know what types if life and death situatiuons you have found yourself in, how you think you got into them and how you managed to get yourself out of them. For someone like myself new to JKD I can't imagine having been in those situations before training in JKD and I still can't imagine. I have been trying to get my wife interested enough to learn and maybe some of your experience can help persuade her.
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Skinny, as far as my life and death realty based situations, someday i will have the time to write a book, until that time though mostly what i present about my past experiences is done wile teaching normal SDA Classes. The reason i classify it as normal SDA is because when i teach victims we have to be very careful with not calling up too vivid of a description so that we are not causing them to relive a past instance of violence. For a victim it is different then for a survivor. In these classes i dont allow students to ask what if or have you.

In addition, in a normal SDA class I dont normally go into my survival storys on the floor unless i am asked.

Me i am a survivor; because i used the knowledge i gained from each instance of serious violence in my life to help others and to improve my chances in the future of surviving. The childhood i lived taught me how to protect others, the protection of others taught me how to teach others how to be survivors instead of victims and to learn how to protect themselves.

What do i tell woman that need to get training? It is not normally my experiences that I tell them to convince them to get training. Most woman don’t ask me about my past instances, its normally men that do.

For woman though I tend to look at them with a very serious face and with a some times pain full expression, and I begin to remind them of the fact that if they become a victim or die or something happens to them who will take care of the children? or the husband? or the family that they took the responsibility for? Moreover, who will pay the price for them not at least taking the time to prepare themselves incase they face an instance of violence? In addition, what if your child is with you during the instance of crime? What will you do then?

Then I look at some and say to them if you don’t have the self esteem to do it for yourself are the lives of your children or other famleys members worth it? Because many times its others with training that help save the lives of the loved ones in a family in the middle of a trauma or violent instance.

If they are not married i remind them that the cost of them becoming a victim does not just lye on them, life is cause and effect if they dont get training and learn the realty’s then the price will be much higher when they have to face the aftermath of the victimization or attack. Yes, it is them that will be in the hospital in pain or dead but it is the people around them that pay a huge price in addition to them.

My parting question to everyone” is the legacy you want to leave to your friends and family one of pain, anger, loss, and hate because you died in a senseless, violent, and useless death.

Furthermore, it is our responsibility as human beings to be trained become educated and to fully understand the realty’s of what we face now in reference to violent crime and the protection of ourselves and loved one. Because until they get training in self-defenses and awareness ( THIS INCLUDES FULL AWARENESS OF THE ISSUES) They are just helping to perpetuate the re-occurrence of violence in society today from within their denial state and lack of education.

Ms. J...

Yes i ask many questions, but... asking questions brings knowledge, a good teacher is one that guides a student to finding their truth instead of convincing a student what the truth is. by asking questions you leave the discerning and finding of the answers to the student and your not forcing them to believe in your truth but instead encouraging them to find their own truth by helping them to ask themselves the appropriate questions.

i believe that’s part of Bruce Lees concepts somewhere.......
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To many big words and other suchness.

Just hit people.

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Let's face it though, All roads lead to puta Kapala.
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