JKD in Hong Kong?

furble · 08-10-2003, 11:31 PM

Hi

Moving to HK soon and for some reason haven't been able to locate any JKD schools.

Anyone know of any? And if i can't find any, what other styles would you guys recommend.

Cheers
furble

Cadden · 08-11-2003, 12:14 AM

It is more of a Westernised art and you will be hard pressed to find a JKD school in Hong Kong, especially a good one. If you want to learn something similar to JKD (infact Bruce Lee's basis for JKD) the greatest Ving Tsun schools in the world are in Hong Kong, and it is just as good, if not better than JKD.

But as for JKD, unfortunately I don't like your chances.

furble · 08-11-2003, 02:43 AM

Hi Cadden

Thanks for the info.

When you guys talk about Ving Tsun, is that the same as Wing Chun?

And was wondering does JKD have forms?

Thanks
furble

Cadden · 08-11-2003, 03:37 AM

Ving Tsun is pronounced the same as Wing Chun (same as Wing Tsun). Ving Tsun is generally associated with the Wong Shun Leung lineage of Wing Chun (Sigong Wong was Bruce Lees teacher and mentor up until he died. He was taught almost exclusively by him). Wong Shun Leung had the most personal contact with Yip Man, and thus learned the system better than anyone (Tsui Seung Tin is very close, if not on equal footing).

The difference about Wong lineage is that it emphasises three things always: simple, direct, efficient. If a technique doesn't fit these three criteria it is quickly discarded or altered. Also, Wongs is particularly agressive, with as little "playing with hands" as possible.

Does JKD have forms. Well I'm not exactly sure, I don't think so. I know Bruce Lee, right up until he died, did Siu Lim Tao (the first Ving Tsun form) daily. I am not sure whether or not he passed this onto his students (Jesse Glover et cetera).

Ving Tsun has forms: Siu Lin Tao, Chum Kiu, Biu Jee (finger strikes and advanced foot movement and hand movements), Butterfly Knives (double swords) and Chinese Long Pole (sometimes disregarded in modern training as pole training is no longer necessary for street confrontations) and Wooden Dummy. Bruce Lee learned Siu Lin Tao, Chum Kiu, and 2/3 of the Wooden Dummy movements before he died. He was still undergoing training from Wong at the time, although his training was never completed.

Bruce Lee was notorious for his impatience, and as he never completed the entire Ving Tsun system, he attempted to fill apparent holes in the system with his own devisings.

If you cannot find a Wong Shun Leung lineage school, then Tsui Seung Tin is a very good bet as they are very similar. Anyway Wing Chun school is fine as long as when you are training everything is as simple, direct and efficient as it can be. If you find yourself questioning the simplicity of a movement, raise your hand and voice your opinion.

swan104 · 08-11-2003, 05:10 AM

I believe there is a JKD school in Hong Kong under the Ted Wong lineage. I'm not sure where in HK it is though!

I'm going to HK next year on holiday for about a month or so!

Cadden · 08-11-2003, 07:32 AM

Oh! Well I stand corrected. Ted Wong.

lssanjose · 08-11-2003, 11:45 AM

I hope you hook up with the ted wong JKD group over there. Hear nothing but good things about a lot of those that study under wong.

akja · 08-11-2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by furble
Hi

Moving to HK soon and for some reason haven't been able to locate any JKD schools.

Anyone know of any? And if i can't find any, what other styles would you guys recommend.

Cheers
furble

Their website seems to be down but it used to be
www.jkd.com.hk

It may only be temporarily down. I know that they were in some way affiliated with James Lee's son Greg.

Dr Jack · 08-11-2003, 07:45 PM

Most JFJKD lineage schools still practice Sil Lum Tao(Little Idea?).
The JKD concepts guys I have trained with do not.

furble · 08-11-2003, 07:56 PM

Hi Akja

Yeah i found the web site on google last week, so it looks like that site has been down for a week, although also on google there are links to pics on that site which i can see, stuff like pics of Bruce Lee with Yip Man.

Although that doesn't really help me since i need the main page so i can find contact details and the like.

Cadden
Thanks for the info, been a long time since i have done Wing Chun, and now you have me interested again, never realised there were so many lineages, but then i guess we didn't have the net back then to share info either

If i can't find the JKD school over there i will look into Ving Tsun.

Cheers
furble

lssanjose · 08-11-2003, 08:06 PM

to me it seems that china's internet has been down or something
or something wrong with their colocators or what not. I tried checking out paul borret's site ..and it was not a go

Cadden · 08-12-2003, 01:21 AM

Good luck furble. You won't be disappointed with either art I assure you, they are both great.

akja · 08-26-2003, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by furble
Hi

Moving to HK soon and for some reason haven't been able to locate any JKD schools.

Anyone know of any? And if i can't find any, what other styles would you guys recommend.

Cheers
furble

Here you go.

http://www.jkd.com.hk/Eng/

furble · 08-26-2003, 04:36 PM

Thanks for that.

I checked out the web site but it seems the 3 schools on there are Wing Chun (Ving Tsun) links.

When i get back to Hong Kong i will consider picking up Wing Chun again, but i have found this pancration school in HK as well so i might check that out.

Pancration is a MMA which is being reintroduced into the Olympics next year.

Thanks for the help
Furble

Cadden · 08-27-2003, 02:38 AM

Probably the best Ving Tsun teacher in Hong Kong is the Wong Shun Leung student SiFu Wan Kam Leung or Cliff Au Yeung. Both are brilliant, with the latter being the oldest of the two. If you want to become a really great fighter, these two guys are a great place to do that.

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furble Novice Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6	JKD in Hong Kong? Hi Moving to HK soon and for some reason haven't been able to locate any JKD schools. Anyone know of any? And if i can't find any, what other styles would you guys recommend. Cheers furble

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swan104 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Stoke-on-Trent/England Posts: 410	I believe there is a JKD school in Hong Kong under the Ted Wong lineage. I'm not sure where in HK it is though! I'm going to HK next year on holiday for about a month or so! __________________ Steven

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Dr Jack Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Panama City, Florida Posts: 31	Some do practice forms Most JFJKD lineage schools still practice Sil Lum Tao(Little Idea?). The JKD concepts guys I have trained with do not.

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08-11-2003, 12:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cadden Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 38	It is more of a Westernised art and you will be hard pressed to find a JKD school in Hong Kong, especially a good one. If you want to learn something similar to JKD (infact Bruce Lee's basis for JKD) the greatest Ving Tsun schools in the world are in Hong Kong, and it is just as good, if not better than JKD. But as for JKD, unfortunately I don't like your chances.

08-11-2003, 02:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
furble Novice Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6	Hi Cadden Thanks for the info. When you guys talk about Ving Tsun, is that the same as Wing Chun? And was wondering does JKD have forms? Thanks furble

08-11-2003, 03:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cadden Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 38	Ving Tsun is pronounced the same as Wing Chun (same as Wing Tsun). Ving Tsun is generally associated with the Wong Shun Leung lineage of Wing Chun (Sigong Wong was Bruce Lees teacher and mentor up until he died. He was taught almost exclusively by him). Wong Shun Leung had the most personal contact with Yip Man, and thus learned the system better than anyone (Tsui Seung Tin is very close, if not on equal footing). The difference about Wong lineage is that it emphasises three things always: simple, direct, efficient. If a technique doesn't fit these three criteria it is quickly discarded or altered. Also, Wongs is particularly agressive, with as little "playing with hands" as possible. Does JKD have forms. Well I'm not exactly sure, I don't think so. I know Bruce Lee, right up until he died, did Siu Lim Tao (the first Ving Tsun form) daily. I am not sure whether or not he passed this onto his students (Jesse Glover et cetera). Ving Tsun has forms: Siu Lin Tao, Chum Kiu, Biu Jee (finger strikes and advanced foot movement and hand movements), Butterfly Knives (double swords) and Chinese Long Pole (sometimes disregarded in modern training as pole training is no longer necessary for street confrontations) and Wooden Dummy. Bruce Lee learned Siu Lin Tao, Chum Kiu, and 2/3 of the Wooden Dummy movements before he died. He was still undergoing training from Wong at the time, although his training was never completed. Bruce Lee was notorious for his impatience, and as he never completed the entire Ving Tsun system, he attempted to fill apparent holes in the system with his own devisings. If you cannot find a Wong Shun Leung lineage school, then Tsui Seung Tin is a very good bet as they are very similar. Anyway Wing Chun school is fine as long as when you are training everything is as simple, direct and efficient as it can be. If you find yourself questioning the simplicity of a movement, raise your hand and voice your opinion.

08-11-2003, 07:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
Cadden Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 38	Oh! Well I stand corrected. Ted Wong.

08-11-2003, 11:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
lssanjose Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 145	I hope you hook up with the ted wong JKD group over there. Hear nothing but good things about a lot of those that study under wong.

08-11-2003, 07:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
furble Novice Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6	Hi Akja Yeah i found the web site on google last week, so it looks like that site has been down for a week, although also on google there are links to pics on that site which i can see, stuff like pics of Bruce Lee with Yip Man. Although that doesn't really help me since i need the main page so i can find contact details and the like. Cadden Thanks for the info, been a long time since i have done Wing Chun, and now you have me interested again, never realised there were so many lineages, but then i guess we didn't have the net back then to share info either If i can't find the JKD school over there i will look into Ving Tsun. Cheers furble

08-11-2003, 08:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
lssanjose Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 145	to me it seems that china's internet has been down or something or something wrong with their colocators or what not. I tried checking out paul borret's site ..and it was not a go

08-12-2003, 01:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
Cadden Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 38	Good luck furble. You won't be disappointed with either art I assure you, they are both great.

08-26-2003, 04:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
furble Novice Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6	Thanks for that. I checked out the web site but it seems the 3 schools on there are Wing Chun (Ving Tsun) links. When i get back to Hong Kong i will consider picking up Wing Chun again, but i have found this pancration school in HK as well so i might check that out. Pancration is a MMA which is being reintroduced into the Olympics next year. Thanks for the help Furble

08-27-2003, 02:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
Cadden Novice Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 38	Probably the best Ving Tsun teacher in Hong Kong is the Wong Shun Leung student SiFu Wan Kam Leung or Cliff Au Yeung. Both are brilliant, with the latter being the oldest of the two. If you want to become a really great fighter, these two guys are a great place to do that.

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