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    SB defence

    If you have a much larger opponent with a greater reach than you and who outweighs you buy 50kg or so, and who is sprinting in on you with a straight blast, what are the best ways to defend against it. I'm not too confident about going to ground (shooting in for a double leg) cos of the weight difference, with with his weight and reach advantage what is the best option? as round technique and sidestepping etc, seem too easy to be countered and hard to do when the opponent is charging down on you.


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    use an underhook (either side) with the free hand pushing the oppenents head away and down. all while side stepping. Basic redirection of force.

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    Emin Botzepe explain it in one of his videos I think.
    Let's face it.If you go for a leg takedown,you'll eat a knee.A body lock at an angle could be usefull,but i never tried it,though.
    Xero's point is a good one,you should redirect the force,but keep a check on him,so you can't be countered.
    I say zone to one side while checking the shoulder or if possible the elbow and go for a rear thigh kick,so it would keep you out of the line of attack.
    Muay Thai response would be a heavy push kick,if you're not set up,but that rarely happens.
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    I think the idea of defending against that is flawed. Once you're properly engaged by a straight blast your only real counter is to fall down or throw your arms up and lock them out, but that will make you susceptible to all kinds of joint manipulation.

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    couldnt u fall, kick him in the nuts and try to use his momentum to throw him with your legs? Works wrestling in the backyard, but that's just insanity.
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    stop kick the lead leg just below the kneecap. when it dislocates the straight blast stops.


    tested, and worked.


    drop down and sweep at knee level

    Theoretical but should work as well.
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    Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
    stop kick the lead leg just below the kneecap. when it dislocates the straight blast stops.


    tested, and worked.


    drop down and sweep at knee level

    Theoretical but should work as well.
    Again, this would NEVER work against a properly engaged SB. For one thing, performing the kick you described would be applicable from long range. If you tried it in the range where the SB occurs, at best you'd end up kneeing your opponent in the hip or groin, and worst case you fall straight over backwards because one leg is planted and the other is off the ground leaving you with NO base whatsoever.

    Reread my previous post and find some videos of what a good SB looks like. You'll see that its damn near impossible to retalliate when you're effectively falling over backwards. The backpeddling you see from people that are having SB performed on them is an attempt to catch/regain their balance. I can't remember who said it, but nobody practices their art while running backwards (or falling down).

    Out of all the things I've done in a fight, only one thing has been 100% effective 100% of the time... I'll give you one guess as to what it is....
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    if their sprinting full pace at you, it seems hard to get a kick in in time, and if u lean back out of their way, your techniques have to power behind them. So how can you block and counter or intercept the straight blast?

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    it did work and dislocated my instructors knee, he dropped and it went back into place. so careful saying it would never work, I did it while steping back.
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    Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
    it did work and dislocated my instructors knee, he dropped and it went back into place. so careful saying it would never work, I did it while steping back.
    Your kick worked for the instance you described. However, as I previously said, given your description of the incident it leads me to believe your instructor misapplied the SB from too far out. Remember, everything has its time and place. From the sound of it, your instructor chose the wrong range to apply it or failed to keep the pressure on where it should have been to make it 100%. For the straight blast to work the way it should, it should follow a good solid hit that your opponent off-balance. In that position and with that energy applied, there is no "defense". All you can do is try and recover from the positioning before the punches come. If you manage that then you still haven't really foiled the SB per se, but regained your balance from a forceful blow. In your case, to simply say "do x because it worked for me" is a flawed exaple becase A. What works for you doesn't mean it'll work for someone else and B. the situation was not applicable--meaning that it was a mistake and shouldn't have happened. What you did was jam him up. That kick works just as well against the boxer's jab. No SB I've ever seen looked like a jab or had footwork that looked like it came from a jab. In fact its more of a 40 yard dash kind of footwork.
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    You are so funny Nutz.
    For the straight blast to work the way it should, it should follow a good solid hit that your opponent off-balance.
    When someone is off balance after a good solid hit just about anything will work.
    In fact its more of a 40 yard dash kind of footwork.
    How does one do that from close range? I've yet to see it, and I think the idea is also what makes guys start their SB too far out.

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    Originally posted by brokenelbow
    How does one do that from close range? I've yet to see it, and I think the idea is also what makes guys start their SB too far out.
    You have to be explosive. Think of your body as a big rubber band all stretched out. When you let that thing go its leaving the starting point at near max speed. Unlike most people who draw back to strike wasting time in pulling the hand back to throw the punch. Same idea. You should explode with your strikes--think 1 inch punch--again, its the same idea, but with the SB the explosive action is a combination of footwork and strikes.

    To me, a good execution of the SB occurs at 2:25 into this video. The others exhibited are good, but because the man has a longer reach than the woman, he's beginning it a touch more "out" than the female. This is because of his extended boxing range--which could allow a smaller opponent to maybe execute a stop kick. If the woman tried it from that far out, it'd damn near be her kicking range.

    Note: these don't exactly demonstrate the explosiveness I'm taking about. These are examples of what range the SB should work from.
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