Why does everyone keep on saying Taekwondo is crap.

takeshitoyama · 11-25-2003, 09:00 PM

Why does everyone keep on saying that Taekwondo sucks, what is so useless and unneffictive about it?!?!

brokenelbow · 11-25-2003, 10:47 PM

Depends upon what you want to do with it.

c0bra · 11-26-2003, 12:35 AM

ever seen a TKD person spar anyone thats not a TKD practicioner

Tom Yum · 11-26-2003, 02:11 AM

TKD has been watered down alot. Not to say there are some TKD black belts that can kick extremely fast and hard, but most TKD is watered down and it shows when sparring other combat styles.

However BB that started out in TKD and trained in muay thai or boxing usually make good allround fighters. Peter Aerts started in TKD and moved into muay thai. Kathy Long started in either Tang Soo Do or TKD and moved into muay thai.

I've trained with a fair amount of TKD practicioners who cross train in muay thai. The better ones use their side kick really well (like a boxer uses his jab) and can fire hard, fast kick combos.

They fake a front snap kick and turn it into a round kick/spinning hook kick.

Fake a high hook kick and throw a side kick to the body and another hook kick to the head.

The smartest TKD fighters check legs all the time, sort of a block or jamming technique. They keep distance with good footwork, timing and a rapid fire side kick aimed at the ribs or hips. Try to go straight in with punches and they will throw that sidekick (which will compund damage cause you run into it). They will fight tooth and nail to keep you in kicking range. I don't think many guys on this forum have had the opportunity to spar with a good TKD fighter, but its no walk in the park if the guy is really good.

When the average TKD stylists fight other stand up fighters, they dont keep their chin tucked or hands high enough, don't know how to handle the clinch and don't know how to handle kicks to the leg. Unless they've cross trained in boxing, they don't have sharp hands. Since most people see the average TKD fighter, they are not impressed.

TKD guys are suprised at the power of the muay thai round kick. Their natural reaction is to fire a turning kick or spin kick into the thaiboxer when they see it coming. They underestimate the power of the thai round kick and eat it while rechambering their turning or spin kick, which either knocks them down or rocks them. The muay thai round kick has the kickers entire weight and leverage, generated by follow through with the hips.

I'm probably one of the few on this board that doesn't trash TKD, because I've seen guys out there that can probably clean a head off a body with their kicks. The real issue is that TKD has become watered down and so most TKD fighters don't fight well.

Tom Yum · 11-26-2003, 12:33 PM

Does that answer your question takeshit oyama?

jubaji · 11-26-2003, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Yum
takeshit oyama?

That is one smelly mountain!

Tom Yum · 11-26-2003, 02:15 PM

I hate when it errupts

darrianation · 11-26-2003, 04:55 PM

I totally agree with Tom on this. I think TKD is a great sport. TKD guys have good strategies and are good competitors. When you see these guys that are Olympic class competitors these guys would beat the hell out of most of us.

The problem is there are far to many Mcdojangs out there with 10 year old black belts and others who get there black belts in a couple of years. Most of these people fight more like a mid level color belt. People from other styles become a bit skeptical about TKD. This is also a reason Karate gets a bad name as well. Believe me TKD isn’t the only style/art that gets flamed on this forum. Pretty much all the traditional systems take some flak in one way or another. Most deserve it.

In reference to self-defense most people don’t think that TKD is very practical because TKD is geared towards sport but those same people say the same thing about Karate and other MAs. A style that relies on so many kicks especially high kicks is a bit unpractical for SD. That doesn’t mean that some TKD practitioners can’t defend themselves very well. Boxing, low kicks to the legs, elbows, clinches and knees are much more suited for SD.

People who practice strictly TKD have trouble fighting Thai fighters and kick boxers for the reasons that tom has already stated. Too many less experienced and less skilled fighters try to many fancy kicks, or kicks to the head level that get them in trouble when they are fighting someone who likes to kick to the legs, these fighters end up on the ground a lot. TKD doesn’t stack up well against other sport MA like MT very well but TKD is excellent to cross train in and it can compliment other sport MA like KB, and MT very well.

Look at the thread in the MT section tkd vs muah tai

darrianation · 11-26-2003, 06:36 PM

check this MT vs TKD.

http://esse.melli.net/~samu/mastercup.mpg

darrianation · 11-26-2003, 06:43 PM

The tkd guy isn't really all that good but it's fun to watch. I have seen this before but c0bra posted this on the TKD vs MT thread.

**Thai Bri** · 11-27-2003, 12:37 PM

The clip does seem to succesfully answer the question posed by the thread.

Damian Mavis · 11-27-2003, 12:47 PM

No it doesn't, I could wipe the floor with some Muay Thai guys by just using straight TKD. The skill level of the 2 fighters plays a MAJOR role in the outcome of a match, not just the style. That particular TKD guy ( a red belt no less) sucks major bunghole. I don't know how someone like that got into a full contact match using weapons he hasn't even trained (leg kicks) but the whole thing is ridiculous. He deserved to get knocked out for even trying.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

**Thai Bri** · 11-27-2003, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Damian Mavis
No it doesn't

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

Yes it does.
Thai Bri
No Bullshit Martial Arts.

osopardo · 12-15-2003, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thai Bri

Yes it does.
Thai Bri=Bullshit

No it doesn't. And this topic is beneath all of us. It's all been said before.

Szczepankiewicz · 12-15-2003, 11:46 AM

Oso,

what have I told you about misquoting????

Huh?

Huh????

Damian,

I've no doubt you could wipe the floor with anyone who dared to cross your path.

Thank you.

And good nite.

Spanky

11-25-2003, 09:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
takeshitoyama Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 16	Why does everyone keep on saying Taekwondo is crap. Why does everyone keep on saying that Taekwondo sucks, what is so useless and unneffictive about it?!?!

11-25-2003, 10:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
brokenelbow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 520	Depends upon what you want to do with it. __________________ The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach. Damnit... it made sense when it was running through my head. DM

11-26-2003, 12:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
c0bra Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: el Florida Posts: 144	ever seen a TKD person spar anyone thats not a TKD practicioner __________________ poof!

11-26-2003, 04:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
darrianation Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,933 Blog Entries: 10	I totally agree with Tom on this. I think TKD is a great sport. TKD guys have good strategies and are good competitors. When you see these guys that are Olympic class competitors these guys would beat the hell out of most of us. The problem is there are far to many Mcdojangs out there with 10 year old black belts and others who get there black belts in a couple of years. Most of these people fight more like a mid level color belt. People from other styles become a bit skeptical about TKD. This is also a reason Karate gets a bad name as well. Believe me TKD isn’t the only style/art that gets flamed on this forum. Pretty much all the traditional systems take some flak in one way or another. Most deserve it. In reference to self-defense most people don’t think that TKD is very practical because TKD is geared towards sport but those same people say the same thing about Karate and other MAs. A style that relies on so many kicks especially high kicks is a bit unpractical for SD. That doesn’t mean that some TKD practitioners can’t defend themselves very well. Boxing, low kicks to the legs, elbows, clinches and knees are much more suited for SD. People who practice strictly TKD have trouble fighting Thai fighters and kick boxers for the reasons that tom has already stated. Too many less experienced and less skilled fighters try to many fancy kicks, or kicks to the head level that get them in trouble when they are fighting someone who likes to kick to the legs, these fighters end up on the ground a lot. TKD doesn’t stack up well against other sport MA like MT very well but TKD is excellent to cross train in and it can compliment other sport MA like KB, and MT very well. Look at the thread in the MT section tkd vs muah tai __________________ In hills, as well as in villages and cities, hazards and predators find those who walk backwards.- Ezekiel Sanchez

11-26-2003, 06:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
darrianation Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,933 Blog Entries: 10	check this MT vs TKD. http://esse.melli.net/~samu/mastercup.mpg __________________ In hills, as well as in villages and cities, hazards and predators find those who walk backwards.- Ezekiel Sanchez

11-26-2003, 02:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	TKD has been watered down alot. Not to say there are some TKD black belts that can kick extremely fast and hard, but most TKD is watered down and it shows when sparring other combat styles. However BB that started out in TKD and trained in muay thai or boxing usually make good allround fighters. Peter Aerts started in TKD and moved into muay thai. Kathy Long started in either Tang Soo Do or TKD and moved into muay thai. I've trained with a fair amount of TKD practicioners who cross train in muay thai. The better ones use their side kick really well (like a boxer uses his jab) and can fire hard, fast kick combos. They fake a front snap kick and turn it into a round kick/spinning hook kick. Fake a high hook kick and throw a side kick to the body and another hook kick to the head. The smartest TKD fighters check legs all the time, sort of a block or jamming technique. They keep distance with good footwork, timing and a rapid fire side kick aimed at the ribs or hips. Try to go straight in with punches and they will throw that sidekick (which will compund damage cause you run into it). They will fight tooth and nail to keep you in kicking range. I don't think many guys on this forum have had the opportunity to spar with a good TKD fighter, but its no walk in the park if the guy is really good. When the average TKD stylists fight other stand up fighters, they dont keep their chin tucked or hands high enough, don't know how to handle the clinch and don't know how to handle kicks to the leg. Unless they've cross trained in boxing, they don't have sharp hands. Since most people see the average TKD fighter, they are not impressed. TKD guys are suprised at the power of the muay thai round kick. Their natural reaction is to fire a turning kick or spin kick into the thaiboxer when they see it coming. They underestimate the power of the thai round kick and eat it while rechambering their turning or spin kick, which either knocks them down or rocks them. The muay thai round kick has the kickers entire weight and leverage, generated by follow through with the hips. I'm probably one of the few on this board that doesn't trash TKD, because I've seen guys out there that can probably clean a head off a body with their kicks. The real issue is that TKD has become watered down and so most TKD fighters don't fight well.

11-26-2003, 12:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	Does that answer your question takeshit oyama?

11-26-2003, 02:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,192	I hate when it errupts

11-26-2003, 06:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
darrianation Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,933 Blog Entries: 10	The tkd guy isn't really all that good but it's fun to watch. I have seen this before but c0bra posted this on the TKD vs MT thread. __________________ In hills, as well as in villages and cities, hazards and predators find those who walk backwards.- Ezekiel Sanchez

11-27-2003, 12:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,415	The clip does seem to succesfully answer the question posed by the thread.

11-27-2003, 12:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 651	No it doesn't, I could wipe the floor with some Muay Thai guys by just using straight TKD. The skill level of the 2 fighters plays a MAJOR role in the outcome of a match, not just the style. That particular TKD guy ( a red belt no less) sucks major bunghole. I don't know how someone like that got into a full contact match using weapons he hasn't even trained (leg kicks) but the whole thing is ridiculous. He deserved to get knocked out for even trying. Damian Mavis Honour TKD

12-15-2003, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	Oso, what have I told you about misquoting???? Huh? Huh???? Damian, I've no doubt you could wipe the floor with anyone who dared to cross your path. Thank you. And good nite. Spanky

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