Combat Cherokee

Dude, I am in agreement with you, the key word IS traditional, and if it smells like a duck...

QUACK!

take care
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da_mill

id love to read all that, if it had paragraphs...

Craigttc

I spent most of saturday at the Golden State open at Cal State Los Angeles. My daughter was competing in her first tournament. There were young black Belts that were impressive and those that were not. Same with all the Belts. Some of the adult Black belts were more impressive then others. My yellow belt 8 year old daughter was matched against a green belt of the same age. My daughter held her own and lost. Her training partner a junior purple belt beat the green belt she had to compete against. It just shows the different ability of different schools. At United Martial Arts where my daughter trains as the kids progress they are given the opportunity to grapple. Rommel Dunber their instructor is the current world champion in the Masters division of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu with over 130 Jiu Jitsu students as well as a Tae Kwon Do Blackbelt.

Megawolf

Blah, same things over and over. Common sense says if you want a good training in martial arts fighting, then study and become very efficient in every martial arts you can get your hands on. I keep saying it time and time again, each martial arts has it's strengths and weaknesses, no matter how strong or how weak someone views it to be. TKD is more of a way to get into a training routine and create self descipline, then it is up to the person ocne they gain efficiency in this to start learning other fighting styles and martial arts now that they have basics. If you're out there to be Mr Bad or to try to look impressive to people with fancy moves, then take whatever you want. If you want to learn to defend yourself and others from formidable opponents, then learn as many martial arts as you can and try adjusting them to who you are. Going around with a chip on one's shoulders like some of the posters in this thread are seemingly doing will in time get it knocked off, although by whom is up for grabs.

It's like something I read a few days ago about how almost all martial artist, including those whom win lots of tournaments and such lose fights on the streets because they're so used to fancy moves and trying to look and sound impressive instead of being efficient all around and learning to expect the unexpected. We can talk about whom's a master, whom's a black belt, whom's a green belt, or this or that, but in reality belts and such are mainly for show in about any martial arts. True martial arts teaches on to take their body, mind, heart, and soul, combine them and use them to the highest efficiency in a fight possible. So in my opinion unless you train in as many fighting styles as you can, including street fighting ideas, then your training is mainly just show.

Tiger Claw

My master did kickboxing for a long time and he is the head of our school at 5th degree with 25 years experience in tkd. I believe he has left our tkd untainted. We are not associated with anything. It still is not enough and they are adding jj to our school. Another instructor kickboxed but stopped because the ppl over here didn't show up enough for the fight. He is cross-trained with kickboxing and teaches alot of kickboxing techniques. They teach very well and I am cross-trained. Tkd wouldn't make it in mma matches without another art to give it ground fighting. There is no ground fighting lol.

brokenelbow

Meanwhile Wing Chun continues to dominate the UFC, Pride, K-1 and all San Da and San Shou events.

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guy incognito

In the TKD class i took we didnt even use TKD techniques in our self defence practice(If it can so be called)We borrowedthings from elsewhere.As for sparring we recerted to something else entirely to what we trained in poomse or individual techniques.Why learn it one way and use something else altogether in sparring.Makes no sense at all!Totally Bizzare! 1.Learn all those long low stances just to use upright and mobile ones in sparring
2.Learn all those long range techniques in practice only to start self defence practice at a short distance.

guy incognito

Maybe TKD should stand for Totally Konfused and Disillusioned

Craigttc

To a young martial artist what is so bad if their school teaches respect and discipline? What is so bad about actually sparring against a stranger that is trying to hit you? What is so bad about learning how to kick and punch? How many martial artists have never learned how to kick worth a darn yet profess proficiency?How many martial artist have never been hit by anybody? If I was a young person I would love to have some Tae Kwon Do, Wrestling. Judo, then add Muy Thai, BJJ including a large dose of Vale Tudo, and Sambo. Life would be good. As it is I am a Black Belt in Kung Fu San Soo and a Blue Belt in BJJ and will never be what I could have been if exposed to more. I would love to have the ability to have the TKD kicks at my disposal even if I never used them in anger. What would be wrong with that?

guy incognito

You have obviously done other arts.But to not know anything ealse and rely on TKD for self defence would be a mistake.

Craigttc

http://unitedbjj.com/default.htm You can see Rommel's Qualifications. He teaches the students to punch and kick for real life as well as for tournaments. I have never heard him say less punches except the class before the tournaments when he reminds the students that only kicks score points. In class as much time is spent on punching as on kicking. Students are allowed to cross train with the BJJ and MMA classes. His students usually dominate their competitors because they train very hard. I would match any type of well trained fighter against someone that hasn't trained especially Rommel's TKD students. I have never seen them due low stances that you are referring to.

Tiger Claw

Well we are getting jj at my dojang so you could rely on this school for self defense. My master fixed it. The jj should be ready in a couple of weeks. We also have a filipino weapons instructor comming back to train us. There are ppl here that will clean house without jj. It has to do with the kickboxing aspect.

blade_cs

What do you mean by Wing Chun dominating?

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brokenelbow

I mean winning all the time of course.

I've learned to use Doru Chagi, bandel chagi and many other techniques against a groin kick, but the down block was never one of them.

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blade_cs

Yes, I know what you mean by what you said. But which UFC? Can you send me the link? Cause most of the times, it's the grapplers or the kickboxers who win (NOT that I'm saying WC is bad). I saw a match where in the beginning of the fight, the WC guy got tackled then tapped out very shortly.

Thanks

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