bvermillion

And I was just joking you retard.

m.artist

um...ok...i feel much better now lol

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Tiger Claw

It depends on the school and what you are training for. A friend of mine who has trained two system I have trained in (al tracy's kenpo and at my taekwondo school) told me he was very disapointed at this wing chun school. There are no kenpo schools where I live so I think we both are on a quest for a similar way of fighting heh. I nearly went to that school but picked a very good tkd school. He told me the top ranks could take out the top ranks at the other school without a problem. The teacher himself is very good maybe just not a great teacher.


Edit: As for the high kicks being useless, is untrue. Students at my tkd school can give you a good daze just sparring. I am short and just starting to get some powerful roundhouses to ppls heads. I watch ufc/pride/kickboxing/muay thai and they have already proven the effectiveness of a high kick. It also depends on your opponent. When I spar a 250 pound man of pure muscle I do not kick high heh. When I spar somone my size I can give a good shot the head. I wouldn't use my roundhouse or sidekick to somones head in a real fight yet. I need more power in my high kicks. It can be an easy ko or stun.

Thai Bri

In competitions where the rules do NOT support the use of high kicks, they are a very low percentage success rate technique. Yes, I've seen them used well, but only rarely.

In 99% of cases either they are not tried, they don't land, or the kicker ends up in a bad position.

Do 'em if you want to, but know the dangers. In my view the time spent training them could be much better spent perfecting high percentage success techniques.

m.artist

i hate to say this but if ur still doing tracys system i would stop. he fell away from ed parkers and watered it down. we just had a new girl come in from cali doing tracys system, and she was a brown belt.(she just moved here) and my teacher wanted to see how good she was. she spared on of our purple belts and he schooled her. she was learning things from us that tracy said to disregard and those techniques where new to her. which is sad really cuz there is a big mess in the kenpo/kempo community now. but i would stop and move to a ed parker system. it's the only real effective system of american kenpo here in the us.

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I no longer do kenpo since there are no dojos here. She must of had a bad instructor because tracy's system is very good. Tracy added moves that were from the root of kenpo in china that ed parker did not. My instructor was taught by tracy and he used to visit his dojo and give seminars. I have a pictures with with me and tracy (cannot find them yet hopefully not lost in when I moved). This system had a great impact on my martial arts.

"he fell away from ed parkers"
To my knowledge tracy never took ed parkers system at all. I wouldn't know if parker's system is better because I never took it but tracy's is good. I saw some moves from ed that look good. I wouldn't knock the parker system at all. Infact I am intrested in white tiger kenpo (possible no dojo would have to buy a video ) which came from parker's system.


"which is sad really cuz there is a big mess in the kenpo/kempo community now. " I agree with that. I have other reasons but also ed's death is a big issue. I think the main problem is that none of it is true kenpo. I did some research and the roots say different stories. It is a mess but oh well. I do like the story of the monks going to india and it evolving from there. I do not think that is true at all. I am pretty sure it's roots are from china but it is mixed with japanese and chinese.

m.artist

well i can tell u this. my instructor has been doing kenpo for over 43 yrs. i think he knows what he is talking about. especially since his instructor was mr parker then when he died his instructor was mr parkers top student. tracy went his own way. alot of people don't like that fact that tracy watered it down. and sure the kenpo we do is originaly chinese, but it also has jujitsu in it as well..i belive the original stuff was okinawan karate, hung gar kung fu, and jujitsu. tracy says that what he teaches is the real deal, but in all actuacality it isn't....it's like how karate and tae kwon do came about. u had a korean and a japanese guy to china to learn kung fu. they didn't learn everything but the korean took what he learned and made it tae kwon do, and the japense guy went back to japan and made karate. u get my point? tracy didn't take all of the ed parker kenpo he should have. that's why he calls it kempo. he shows u that he watered it down without telling u. (in most instances) if the name is keNpo, then ur doing an ed parker system. if ur doing a keMpo, then ur most likely doing a tracy system. don't get me wrong, tkd and karate can be effective. but unless u have the whole, u'll get nowhere. and unfortunately for mr. tracy,he doesn't have the whole

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Tiger Claw

"that's why he calls it kempo. he shows u that he watered it down without telling u. (in most instances) if the name is keNpo, then ur doing an ed parker system. if ur doing a keMpo, then ur most likely doing a tracy system. don't get me wrong, tkd and karate can be effective. but unless u have the whole, u'll get nowhere. and unfortunately for mr. tracy,he doesn't have the whole"


Tracy called it kenpo karate dude. If your doing kempo somone spelled kenpo wrong. I don't think it was watered down at all. Explain why you think this other than Mr. parker telling your instructor so. I loved the system. We had jj in it as well. Tracy doesn't have the whole system? Man it is a very big system and it isn't eds so don't see your point. I am guessing tracy had a different idea than ed and they are just different. I have used his system effectively and it's fucking brutal.

pstevens

I’m familiar with both Tang Soo Do and Wing Chun, although I have never formally trained in them — just worked out with poeple from both disciplines. The best martial art for anyone is one that agrees with them. Many people go through trial and error before finding a martial art that fits their lifestyle and training needs.

In regards to high kicks... I think every technique will have it’s place, so it’s only beneficial to keep learning and be open to ideas. Ofcourse, you should also understand that certain techniques have a higher probability or success rate.

In conclusion, I don’t put too much faith in the opinions of people who come from another discipline and say it sucked. Most of the time, these people simply werent good at it, or just didn’t fit the system. Therefore, the best way to understand another martial art is to experience it for yourself and be objective.

Paul

m.artist

Tracy called it kenpo karate dude. If your doing kempo somone spelled kenpo wrong. I don't think it was watered down at all. Explain why you think this other than Mr. parker telling your instructor so. I loved the system. We had jj in it as well. Tracy doesn't have the whole system? Man it is a very big system and it isn't eds so don't see your point. I am guessing tracy had a different idea than ed and they are just different. I have used his system effectively and it's fucking brutal.[/quote]

ya that is true kenpo can be brutal. and keep in mind, im telling u what my instructor was telling me. and im sure there are some very effective techniques in his system, im just saying that it's not the whole thing, that's all. that's good that it had jj in it. it's supposed o. and im not saying it can't be effective. i haven't said that once. mr. parker just didn't like it that he was only taking half of what he had to offer. and the kempo spelling isn't wrong. it's just what most tracy systems call it. it's not a misspelling. just another way to spell it. and it is watered down considerably.im sure that if u were to take a ed parker system kenpo, u would be suprised beyond words.im not saying one is better. im just saying one is the wattered down version.

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Kenpo/Kempo are the same, theough Kenpo is technically more correct. Ed Parker is American Kenpo but not the only style of Kenpo

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m.artist

M.Artist wrote:
i know that

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Tiger Claw

The only problem with tracy's system is the gun defense. I think he should not teach that. I would not go as far as to say which is better. It matters in ma how the system is taught. I wouldn't mind taken ed's kenpo or any damn kenpo right now since there is no kenpo the tn area . A new karate dojo just opened up near me and I pray to god it is a kenpo system. Anyways I don't care about who's system is better or not and won't be debating about it. I have respect for ed's system and tracy's.

Nemes1s

how do you know if a certain wing chun school is bad or not and what kinda questions would you ask them if it was your first time signing up for classes

sherwinc

If you can hit forcefully your non-kungfu opponent using your wingchun hand attacks ratio is 20:2 (you hit him 20times while he hit you only once, and a 1 trading blow equals to only 2 hits.)
if its true then it is a true wingchun art and school.

Note:
trading blows is like you hit him while he hit you simultaenously

CONVINCED???????