sherwinc

see how stupid the effect of human dummy cause enormous amount of opponents fist landed unto your head, while you head is not capable of receiving enormous hard impact of fists.... so brain damage occure and the reason why you could not understand even for a simple question of mine.....

how can i chat with Bruce Lee since he is already died for a thousand of years ago..... haw haw haw

now, answer my questions please:

1. Which of Bruce Lee's martial art movements are not found in KungFu?????

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sherwinc

talking to someone doesnt mean by verbal alone.....

when we see Bruce Lee's Comments, Actions, Moves, etc... thru his Instructional CD's and Movies...... it is like Lee's talking to us and brings us important message...... that is what i mean......

and when i see all his movements....... all of his movements are all found in KungFu.......

take a good example:
on his film Fist of Fury where BruceLee versus the Japanese Karate fighters......
All of his moves were all TaiChiChuan, WingChun, AngKa(Lohan), WuShu, etc..... but the only way that i notice while Bruce Lee perfoms it..... he doesnt show his stance in order for the Japanese opponent to be fooled.....

i did that also,

how??????


buy executing AngKa KungFu Stance but i attack my opponent with a SpringLeg Style KungFu in a LongDistance, and when my opponent finally notice that i played him in a long distance he will truely fight me in a short distance,

then i show him TaiChi KungFu movements while i attack him ChiDianBun KungFu and not Tai Chi Chuan...... haw haw haw, my sparring partner is been fooled.......

i show him again another WuShu High Kicks, but i attack him WingChun rapid low kicks, and he fooled again.........

Note:
Even Chuck Norris fooled by Bruce Lee by showing High Kicks but instead hitting Chuck Norris in his knees by Bruce Low kicks.......

Note:
some of my friend says that Bruce Lee insist his Jeet Kune Do for commercial purposes and he also agree that his movie art is Jeet kune do while his actual true fighting art is KungFu Combinations...... according to him - the reason why Bruce Lee is rich........

wait......

another question:
why is it that there are no Jeet Kune Do that enters in K1, UFC, PRIDE, etc???????????

and here is my answer:
because Bruce Lee knows why......

ok????????

convinced????????

now, answer my questions please:

1. Which of Bruce Lee's martial art movements are not found in KungFu?????

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Question: What are the principal characteristics of a good fighter?

Answer: A good fighter has a lot of tricks, but doesn't play games

Lesson: More Techniques learned are better than Few

takeshitoyama

Thats why my mother tried to teach me visian.

Quote: Sherwinc:
"in KungFu... in FORMS CATEGORY there are:
1. Kuns (Forms)
2. Chiens (Tensioning Routines)
3. Moving Meditations (while also applicable in combat)
4. etc.......
(there are many categories and subdivisions in KungFu Forms)"

Shouldn't the first catagory be the only one included in the forms group since its the only one that Is an actually called a form.

On another note:
Bruce Lee never completed all 3 empty handed forms
Why would Bruce Lee have created JKD if he was going to use Kung Fu as his main art?
All of Bruce Lee's moves are included in kung fu becuase that was the formal martial arts training he was involved in, and that is why jkd is greatly influenced by Kung Fu.

I dont know how well my point got across, but i tried.

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takeshitoyama

Your on the Korean Martial Arts section...most guys here should be tkd and hapkido (sorry if its a bad generalization). You might wanna ask that on the CMA section.

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sherwinc

Correct, you are very correct.......

that is what i mean that all Bruce Lee's moves is still in the KungFu Category, this is what i mean....... since KungFu has 400 styles/systems (some of the kungfu art extinct, dying, and presently living)

all of Bruce Lee's moves are all found in KungFu......

my adviced:
study first all categories of KungFu for plenty of years before you convert it to your own Jeet Kune Do........ then pretending that your art you get it from USA, Korea, Japan, Philippines, Thailand, etc... to convinced your opponent that you have a JKD version of your own......
be sure that it is still simple, direct and to the point, then there's no one-two movement, only one movement (like why not block and attack in a one single movement and not those of block first then attack in a two movement)

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Question: What are the principal characteristics of a good fighter?

Answer: A good fighter has a lot of tricks, but doesn't play games

Lesson: More Techniques learned are better than Few

Uncle Corny

attention administrators. could you please lock this thread and throw away the key? thanks.

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sherwinc

but, you have to answer my questions please:

1. Which of Bruce Lee's martial art movements are not found in KungFu?????

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Question: What are the principal characteristics of a good fighter?

Answer: A good fighter has a lot of tricks, but doesn't play games

Lesson: More Techniques learned are better than Few

Uncle Corny

i equate bruce lee's "art movements" to my "bowel movements." you two tards need to stop bickering over this meaningless crap. the guy's dead, move on.

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m.artist

ok sherwinc
i will answer your question with a question of my own

which kung fu moves are found in jeet kune do?
very few
that's the answer
do you know why?
because those few kung fu movments worked for bruce lee.
but just a few
he took grappling from gene lebell(sp?)
he took a few kickin classes with a tkd expert byong yu
he trained with dan inosanto in his phillipino arts(even though he didn't much care for them)
and dan inosanto has said that when bruce fought seriously, he took a boxing stance and went with the straight blast
all moves of a more simple jeet kune do
not a confusing overly complex kung fu
bruce and dan have gone on record as to say there where 2 types of jkd he used in real life
the one he used on screen was the acting jkd
the one with the head kicks, jump kicks, exaggerated punches and screams. and he did this because he knew how to please the people. it looked good
but
the jkd he used in real life was very simple. no complex ngo chu kung s;dlkj chaibasddun mao zu crap
it was a simpe straight blast, kick to the knee, or a clinch and takedown
very simple stuff
i know they don't teach the straight blast in kung fu
if they did then that man would have taken some sort of jkd conditioning so why would have he have gone back to kung fu for?

sherwinc
if you think about it
nothing you say about bruce lee makes sense
if all of bruce lee's moves are in kung fu,
well alot of my kenpo moves can be found in other styles of karate. and alot of the moves found in karate can be found in tkd. and alot of moves found in tkd can be found in hapkido. and alot of moves found there...etc etc
so does that mean i know all those styles as well?
no it doesnt

Bruce lee
/
Wing Chun/choy li fut/ some praying mantis
/ \
Boxing Fencing
/ \
Tkd Grappling
\ /
Jeet kune do

what's in jeet kune do?
in bruce's own jkd
there was tkd for stronger kicks, and the ability to look good on camera
fencing, for foot work and mobility
grappling because it was essential to the street confrintation
boxing because boxers are some of thee most powerful punchers there are
and wing chun because he could chain together multiple punches at a time and was very fast
bruce did not use just wing chun or kung fu in general
you said that in fists of fury bruce used tai chi, wing chun and some other crapolla fu and do you know why?
because, his jkd philosphy was still in it's infant stages, and because kung fu is a very pretty art to watch. it looked good on camera

are you now
CONVINCED????

and by the way,
i've seen jkd in ufc. i've seen it do very well in ufc, pride, and ifc
you don't see it in k-1 very much because of all the rules. jkd is for the street not ring. if a jkd got in there and did what he learned, he would be disqualified, and most liekly thrown in jail for assualt and battery

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Uncle Corny

you give jkd too much credit, marine.

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-pam grier

m.artist

i give bruce lee the credit he deserved
nothin more
nothing less
he's degrading his philosophy by saying he did kung fu in real fights and that he "fooled all non-kung fu"
which is annoying

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Uncle Corny

bruce lee doing jkd is one thing. anyone else doing it is not gonna help you. bruce lee is an anomaly.

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-pam grier

Sipjin

I have to tell you, I have been studying Tae Kwon Do for a long time and I have heard alot of negative things said about it as a martial art. However, I have also seen those attributes that are being looked down upon in other arts. Karate for example has just as large a sports following as Tae Kwon Do does. If you don't like the sports side of your art find a dojang that teaches a more traditional or self defense oriented side of Tae Kwon Do. I myself did alot of competing when I was young but was lucky enough to have a very traditional instructor who taught all of us to be the most well rounded martial artists we could be. I also have some observations about your previous post regarding certain techniques. First let me say that you named techniques that can be found in almost every traditional martial art ever practiced. Knife hand strike is only worthless if it is not properly done. let me remind you that the great Karate master Mas Oyama was know for fighting bulls and knocking their horns off with a single knife hand strike. That is not the mark of a worthless strike. I won't go through all of the techniques you named however, I will speak to one more of them and that is the back fist strike. A good fighter should be able to knock his oponent out with a single back fist strike to the temple. That is what makes it a better strike than say a boxers jab that has no more value than just setting up for the next punch. I am sorry but I do have to agree with others who have said that your original dojang may not have been a good one and that is one reason why you are not able to defend yourself. I also never judge a martial artist by his art only by his ability. Maybe you should look in the mirror to find the problem rather than saying that Tae Kwon Do techniques don't work. Just some freindly advice from someone who has been around for a long time.

respectfully,
Sipjin

m.artist

but i wasn't talking about me

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sherwinc

give me a Jeet Kune Do move picture and i will named it in What Types of KungFu does it belong..... since all Bruce Lee JKD moves that i see is all found in KungFu.......

Note:
When i perform Lap Sing Kat, it doesnt usually perform it by executing a properstance, what i mean is - i can still use any type of alphabets learned while i am sitting, laying in bed, what ever positions......

pls dont forget to attach JKD picture and i'll name it in kungfu, cause most of the kungfu guys here will comment if i mistakingly named that move, are you now satisfied??????

haw haw haw haw

majority of the fighters that won in UFC, K1, Pride are all MuayThai, BJJ, Sub. Wrestling, Valle Tudo, Boxing

haw haw haw haw

again....

pls dont forget to attach JKD picture and i'll name it in kungfu, cause most of the kungfu guys here will comment if i mistakingly named that move, are you now satisfied??????

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"When your hand meets my hand, your hand is already my hand"

Question: What are the principal characteristics of a good fighter?

Answer: A good fighter has a lot of tricks, but doesn't play games

Lesson: More Techniques learned are better than Few