m.artist

if those are the arts that win those fights, then why don't you do them?
CONVINCED???

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sherwinc

cause i am not after for ring fights, my objectives in martial arts to fight as a last recorse only.....

and how can i apply that non-kungfu arts on top-of-the table, on a tight area not suitable for it.... especially one of the areas here are full of canals where a lot of house wastes thrown/dump - do i need to grappling in such a dirty watery places here????? i can compare it like a plumflower posts..... i clean my shoes or if i step it on a dirty garbage here......

very dirty here in the streets full of garbage waste thrown by stupid eaters, full of sharp object besides the roads and grappling is not valid here.....

in fact, what i did to my kungfu is what Bruce Lee called Jeet Kune Do.....

i have a jeet kune do of my own interpritation.....

i do absorb what is usefull (in all kungfu style/system)
reject what is useless (especially those type of moves that not compatible to my built)
add especially what is my own (i am expressing my self, second is expressing my style - after learning kungfu combinations)


pls dont forget to attach JKD picture and i'll name it in kungfu, cause most of the kungfu guys here will comment if i mistakingly named that move, are you now satisfied??????

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yentao

I guess he really mean that he can't depend on taekwondo on crucial times because he don't know how to use it and it was very hard for someone to use it especially if you got beer belly like Santa.

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yentao

Plus exeprience in the ring. Most people of muay thai and bjj, wrestling, valle T, and boxing love the ring. Most Kung fu doesn't i don't know why but it doesn't look well in a ring it has to in San Shou form. Here in SEAsia you'll see kungfu and kuntao from overseas chinese can kick ass not because we use it in the ring but we really use it especially in these third world countries. Me? I'm still observing fighters from different systems and form a counter against it. Eventually i'm planning to join in the future i need time to read moves properly and adapt in the rules.

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Nothingness

Why bother? Stop the champion in a dark alley. Close all the ways out. Get a buddy to videotape the match .

yentao

hehehe i'm no warfreak but you see the champion might say you edited it.

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Nothingness

You have nothing to lose. If you win, you will become famous. If you lose, you can sue him because you happen to be lucky that a "bystander" videotaped it .


On the Korean arts issue. The arts don't suck. The way most of them teach it rather suck. Like all competition MAs, they will suck for real self-defense. If you want to go Korean for a self-defense, find one that really focuses on self-defense and not competition.

Maxx

I've always wondered why Korean Arts, Takenwon-Do especially, have this stigma attached to them. I've trained with a lot of different people from a lot of different arts and I see about the same level of quality in Taekwon-Do from school to school that I do in Karate, Kung-Fu, Jeet Kune Do and any other art that's opened to the general public.

I've been involved in Taekwon-do since about 1974 under the International taekwon-Do Federation and more recently under Grand Master Hee Il Cho's AIMAA (Action International Martial Arts Association). Most of the schools that I've trained at obviously focused on kicks, but also promoted the development of Boxing Skills as well as leg kicking skills (in the 50's 60's and 70's the knee joint was an acceptable target in tournaments in Korea) and more recently joint locking, clinching and basic ground skills.

Granted, the majority of the populace practices martial arts recreationally, spending no more than 2-3 hours a week training. There are, however, those few in every school that train hard, experiment and become excellent fighters and teachers. And those people exist in every art, and in schools all over the world.

I don't think that Taekwon-Do necessarily deserves any more credit than any other martial art in the world, but it certainly doesn't deserve any less.

Maxx

I would definitely have to agree with you completely on the first part. With quantity, quality is sure to be compromised. And I will admit myself that I sometimes shake my head at the number of TKD schools out there with classes being taught by people, many of them claiming to be masters, who really are not qualified to teach and certainly don't know how to fight.

The topic of high kicks, however, I don't feel is a major contributor to the troubles of TKD. I've probably visited 20-30 separate schools teaching various systems of TKD and the overall attituted regarding high kicks is that they are a great way to improve flexibilty while practicing but are not emphasized with regards to self defense or even sparring that much. Granted that 20-30 is a small number when you consider that there's probably a TKD school in the US for every McDonalds, but even among people who I've talked to who have visited my school will usually back up what I've just said.

Thinking about the other side of the coin though, kicking to the body is generally considered risky business for must TKD practitioners. TKD stylists generally kick with the instep and there's great risk of hitting an elbow or forarm and few school practice leg kicks enough for students to become comfortable with them. That really leaves only one viable target target with a low risk of injury.

Yaberdaber

Spin kicks, I do taekwondo and I love it, but 540 kicks? Hmm... it won't be long before we have 1080 kicks, eh?

As for realistic kicks, I suggest low kicks to the knee(back, front, or side) and groin, shin scrapes by the side of your shoe, stomps when someone is down or (if lucky) a straight kick to the jaw or neck.
One technique I found good against boxers is kicking the hip, surprising, but it worked... so try to work that out.

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eXcessiveForce

If some has droopy pants just step on the damn pants and push them over, you don't need to kick them. They have handicapped themselves enough. I"ve done this to a few people. Love them baggy pants.

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Maxx

I'll agree with the fact that Taekwon-Do does have a great deal of spinning kicks that are performed with 180, 360 and 540 degree spins, but a lot of those kicks were never actually meant to be performed in combat. A lot of the aerial and more dynamic kicks performed in Taekwon-Do are more akin to drills from other arts such as Chi-Sao from Wing Chun or Hubud from the Filipino martial arts. They help to build attributes within a specific range and lay the groundwork for how a practitioner moves.

Think of it like this: If you watch members of the Korean national team or any high level Taekwon-Do competitor for that matter in a sparring match, the techniques he uses is usually limited to three or four separate kicks... usually the roundhouse, side kick, spinning back kick/jump spinning back kick and the axe kick. Yet these people practice those advanced kicking techniques on a daily basis. It never realy occured to me until I was sparring against someone who was a relatively good boxer. I got hit by a hard cross. As I was falling off balance my lead leg lifted off the ground and hit my sparring partner in the side of the neck. It wasn't intentional, it was just the way the my body was trained to react due to the training I had received, a large part of which was aerial and spinning kicks. A large number of which are thrown from precarious or off balance positions.

Tom Yum

...which leads us back to McDojo-ism.

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Maxx

When the kick landed, it actually hit hard enough to dizzy him which caused the sparring match to stop briefly while he regained his composure.

What occurred afterwards, however, is not important to the point I was making. Most people cut down TKD due to the number of "useless" spinning and aerial kicks that exist. My point is that they are not useless. They are tools for developing specific attributes which are common among specific groups of TKD fighters.

No one is going to throw a 540 degree kick in a heated combat situation, but enough practice may allow you to throw your basic techniques from what most people would consider difficult or off balanced positions. In essence, to adapt to the situation... the same kind of thing that just about any martial art stresses.

Maxx

Well, since you're pushing the issue of me being on the ground I'll say this. I'm a skilled grappler and I know how to fight on the ground and how to fight from the ground. I have, in fact been in the position before and have been able to either regain my footing without a problem or was able to take the person down and tap them out.

Being able to adapt is a great thing.