What TKD patterns do you study? - Page 2

Spookey · 06-19-2004, 10:26 AM

Sirmattu,

The statement regarding the overlook in patterns was a reference to a comment made by Mr. Andrew WA...you have missed nothing my friend (other than the header that read "Dear Andrew"!

Sorry for the temporary breakdown in communication!

Good Day,
Spookey
TAEKWON!

Andrew WA · 06-24-2004, 01:39 PM

Thanks for letting me know. I knew I left out some of them because those are the ones I dont know yet so I didnt list them.

Also I go to budoseek a lot sometimes but havnt for along time because I got really bored of it. And in the TKD section not many people post.

I think masters of a martial art should master the art as well as the fighting and not have horrible technique because you cant be as good of a fighter as someone who has mastered perfect technique. What I am saying is MASTER YOUR FORMS AND HAVE PERFECT EXECUTION OF TECHNIQUE ON EACH MOVE before you call yourself a master.

Damian Mavis · 01-26-2006, 02:35 AM

ITF Chang Hon

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

OverEcho · 04-08-2006, 12:45 AM

Chang Hon ~ USTF under Master McNeely. We trained under GM Kong of ICTF on the patterns recently and I gained alot of insight from him.

I've noticed an inclusion of Jee Goo (by the late GM Park of GTF ) at 1R. But I'm not familiar with this form as of yet. I'd like to find more info on it.

Sah Bu Nim · 04-17-2006, 08:53 PM

I have studied Pal gwae forms , ki cho, and choo mo forms. I'm just starting to learn Tae geuk forms. I believe the black belt forms are the same in each school like koryo, kum kang, and so on. At a certain level you start to create your own forms. I think each martial artist should create they're own forms, name and document them. I also practice weapons forms with nunchaku and pion panta bong, which is a korean dicipline of a sharp edged piece of wood on a rope with a whip like end.

Balrog · 04-19-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spookey

Sir,

For reference you may also wish to visit Karateforums.com and Budoseek.net
They are general martial arts forums such as this site, but each offers either a TKD or Korean Arts specific forum!

TAEKWON!
Spookey (Michael Bateman)

I haven't visited Budoseek, but don't waste your time with KarateForums. The guy that runs it isn't even a martial artist, but if you correct him on a mistake he's made, he'll ban you rather than fix the mistake.

I practice the Songahm style. The colored belt forms, White through Green are Songahm 1-5. The Purple and Blue forms are Inwha 1 & 2. The Brown and Red forms are Choong Jung 1 and 2. Each of the Black Belt forms is named:

1st Degree: Shimjun
2nd Degree: JungYul
3rd Degree: ChungSan
4th Degree: SokBong
5th Degree: ChungHae
6th Degree: JahngSoo
7th Degree: BeeHo

These are all the names I know so far.

Ironfist1989 · 07-12-2006, 11:37 AM

Currentley learning Won-Hyo tul, i think thats an ITF pattern not a WTF one but whatever i'm replying to the thread lol

GranFire · 09-14-2006, 12:57 AM

We are doing Hyongs the ITA calls the style Ho-Am, Tiger Rock

Chong-Ji (White Belt "Heaven and Earth)
Dan Gun (Yellow Belt, named after the founder of Korea)
Do San (Green Belt, It's the pen name on Ahn Chan Ho, patriot and Educator)
Won-Ho (Blue Belt, The Monk that introduced Buddhismn to Korea)
Hwa Rang (Purple Belt, the Warrior Scholars that protected the king)
Choong Moo (Named after the Admiral who built the Kobuksen)
Gwan Gae (1st L1, Gwang Gae To Wong, who gained much territory for Korea)
Gae Baek
Yoo Sin

And a few more Black Belt forms....

Satashi · 09-14-2006, 10:53 AM

That is the same ITA

I took it from Mr.Bordelon/Keith Edwards/Mr,Mrs.Gordon ^^

GranFire · 09-14-2006, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satashi

That is the same ITA

I took it from Mr.Bordelon/Keith Edwards/Mr,Mrs.Gordon ^^

is that the same Mr. Gordon who is on the tapes, I think Choong Moo and the Xtreme Design?

I train with Master Ray Davis in Alabama...

Damian Mavis · 09-15-2006, 03:58 AM

GranFire, those are not Ho-Am or Tiger rock patterns..... heh, they are the Chang Hon forms from the ITF that a million other people world wide are doing. Except that your independant instructors eliminated 3 colour belt patterns and changed the belt colours. There isnt anything really wrong with independant, but they are using the ITF style while altering it as they go..... whatever.

The complete list of ITF colour belt patterns is:

Chonji
Dangun
Dosan
Wonhyo
Yulgook
Joongun
Toigye
Hwarang
Choongmoo (for 1 st degree black)

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

GranFire · 09-15-2006, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Mavis

GranFire, those are not Ho-Am or Tiger rock patterns..... heh, they are the Chang Hon forms from the ITF that a million other people world wide are doing. Except that your independant instructors eliminated 3 colour belt patterns and changed the belt colours. There isnt anything really wrong with independant, but they are using the ITF style while altering it as they go..... whatever.

The complete list of ITF colour belt patterns is:

Chonji
Dangun
Dosan
Wonhyo
Yulgook
Joongun
Toigye
Hwarang
Choongmoo (for 1 st degree black)

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

LOL! I don't think anybody is claiming they invented the wheel.
Besides, those are the names, the forms look different from other forms of the same name of other organisations...and beleive me, I have checked out a few...

Everybody honors the Korean tradition in a different way, but the historical figures are the same...does it mean something that Choong Moo is representing the Red Belt in the ITA inastead of the Black Belt?

Damian Mavis · 09-17-2006, 02:26 AM

Our federarion created them, that is all. You mentioned they were part of a different name, they might be copied or stolen from another group but their name is Chang Hon and they come from us so I was just telling you their real name since to use another name implies they came from someone else. I won't get into whether it is moral or correct for a group to break off the ITF and then start changing names and things the founder of TKD created and a million people are doing identically across the world in the ITF since I myself was part of the GTF for a period of time (due to my instructors choice) which does ITF stlye without changing anything but is not ITF.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

GranFire · 09-17-2006, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Mavis

Our federarion created them, that is all. You mentioned they were part of a different name, they might be copied or stolen from another group but their name is Chang Hon and they come from us so I was just telling you their real name since to use another name implies they came from someone else. I won't get into whether it is moral or correct for a group to break off the ITF and then start changing names and things the founder of TKD created and a million people are doing identically across the world in the ITF since I myself was part of the GTF for a period of time (due to my instructors choice) which does ITF stlye without changing anything but is not ITF.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

LOL! If you keep it up you are making me sound like a fortune cookie...then I'll be mad...

The names reflect Korean history. All ITA form also have a global reflection of history, ranging from Charlemagne to White Buffalo Woman of the Lakota Sioux indians of the Northamerican Plains.

I can't comment on the stealing accusation. I only really learned ITA forms. But having put my own form together, there are only so many different moves you can choose from...but still make it your own.

Wanna keep tooting the honor horn about stealing?

There are so many organisations out there, and most share several names of the historical figures, in any shape or form...are you comming down on them as well...and as I understand the history of TKD, in the begining no-one could get along with the other, only since General Choi is there a form of unison, and to my understanding also only because he was in the position of authority...so ease up, you learn something, I am learning something different. If we should meet, we can compare notes, share our wisdom and discuss it over a cup of tea (or harder beverage, if so desired!)

Damian Mavis · 09-18-2006, 03:53 AM

Well I'm really not too concerned heh, but theres a million other hardcore ITF'ers that would condemn your school, not saying that to be a jerk, I just know from experience. I've been taught 3 federations styles so I'm not as worried about who does what. My instructor was originally WTF, then when I joined we were ITF, then he switched to GTF after I got my black belt and when I left him I went back to ITF and living in Thailand I've trained alot of WTF. I'm not saying doing something different from what I'm doing is wrong, (I've done alot of different styles!) I'm just arguing about the way it seems your instructor is inferring the roots of his style didnt come from ITF. Dont be too angry at me because I'm just continuing the debate for the sake of debating, what you and your instructor do is no business of mine heh and all the power to you guys. But I'll throw this at you anyway:

You are implying that your federation only shares a few names out of coincidence.... really? In the same order? But the moves are all different? I'm sure the only differences are the ones your instructor did and thought of himself. I'm positive at one time he was in the ITF and after he left he implemented a bunch of changes. In my opinion this is wrong.... but so what..... lots of people break off and do something similar, doesnt mean they can't teach TKD well. Or can't fight well. But to me if I were to break off there would be only 2 options. One is to continue teaching the ITF style and freely admit it and if anyone asks just tell them I love ITF TKD but couldnt stand the politics and federation OR I would get rid of everything and just be independant and not use anything that resembled my previous affiliation. To me when you do something in the middle you risk looking like a bad copy of something much bigger and I would'nt want that. Either stay exactly the same or completely different is the way to go.

Anyway, like I said, no business of mine, just giving my opinion.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD Thailand

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06-19-2004, 10:26 AM	#16 (permalink)
Spookey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southeastern, USA Posts: 200 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What did I miss? Sirmattu, The statement regarding the overlook in patterns was a reference to a comment made by Mr. Andrew WA...you have missed nothing my friend (other than the header that read "Dear Andrew"! Sorry for the temporary breakdown in communication! Good Day, Spookey TAEKWON!

06-24-2004, 01:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Andrew WA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Posts: 254 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for letting me know. I knew I left out some of them because those are the ones I dont know yet so I didnt list them. Also I go to budoseek a lot sometimes but havnt for along time because I got really bored of it. And in the TKD section not many people post. I think masters of a martial art should master the art as well as the fighting and not have horrible technique because you cant be as good of a fighter as someone who has mastered perfect technique. What I am saying is MASTER YOUR FORMS AND HAVE PERFECT EXECUTION OF TECHNIQUE ON EACH MOVE before you call yourself a master. __________________ Zin-ji! Why are you so stupid?...If you hadn't let him escape...You will be executed now. Six months hard labor!

07-12-2006, 11:37 AM	#22 (permalink)
Ironfist1989 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Telford, United Kingdom Posts: 32 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Currentley learning Won-Hyo tul, i think thats an ITF pattern not a WTF one but whatever i'm replying to the thread lol __________________ Be like Water, and Flow

09-14-2006, 12:57 AM	#23 (permalink)
GranFire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South East Posts: 587 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	We are doing Hyongs the ITA calls the style Ho-Am, Tiger Rock Chong-Ji (White Belt "Heaven and Earth) Dan Gun (Yellow Belt, named after the founder of Korea) Do San (Green Belt, It's the pen name on Ahn Chan Ho, patriot and Educator) Won-Ho (Blue Belt, The Monk that introduced Buddhismn to Korea) Hwa Rang (Purple Belt, the Warrior Scholars that protected the king) Choong Moo (Named after the Admiral who built the Kobuksen) Gwan Gae (1st L1, Gwang Gae To Wong, who gained much territory for Korea) Gae Baek Yoo Sin And a few more Black Belt forms.... __________________ Banner by www.fiveancestors.com http://itatigerforum.proboards103.com/ It's not the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog

01-26-2006, 02:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	ITF Chang Hon Damian Mavis Honour TKD

04-08-2006, 12:45 AM	#19 (permalink)
OverEcho Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Chang Hon ~ USTF under Master McNeely. We trained under GM Kong of ICTF on the patterns recently and I gained alot of insight from him. I've noticed an inclusion of Jee Goo (by the late GM Park of GTF ) at 1R. But I'm not familiar with this form as of yet. I'd like to find more info on it.

04-17-2006, 08:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
Sah Bu Nim Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 15 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have studied Pal gwae forms , ki cho, and choo mo forms. I'm just starting to learn Tae geuk forms. I believe the black belt forms are the same in each school like koryo, kum kang, and so on. At a certain level you start to create your own forms. I think each martial artist should create they're own forms, name and document them. I also practice weapons forms with nunchaku and pion panta bong, which is a korean dicipline of a sharp edged piece of wood on a rope with a whip like end.

09-14-2006, 10:53 AM	#24 (permalink)
Satashi Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Flordia Posts: 36 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah. That is the same ITA I took it from Mr.Bordelon/Keith Edwards/Mr,Mrs.Gordon ^^

09-15-2006, 03:58 AM	#26 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	GranFire, those are not Ho-Am or Tiger rock patterns..... heh, they are the Chang Hon forms from the ITF that a million other people world wide are doing. Except that your independant instructors eliminated 3 colour belt patterns and changed the belt colours. There isnt anything really wrong with independant, but they are using the ITF style while altering it as they go..... whatever. The complete list of ITF colour belt patterns is: Chonji Dangun Dosan Wonhyo Yulgook Joongun Toigye Hwarang Choongmoo (for 1 st degree black) Damian Mavis Honour TKD Thailand

09-17-2006, 02:26 AM	#28 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Our federarion created them, that is all. You mentioned they were part of a different name, they might be copied or stolen from another group but their name is Chang Hon and they come from us so I was just telling you their real name since to use another name implies they came from someone else. I won't get into whether it is moral or correct for a group to break off the ITF and then start changing names and things the founder of TKD created and a million people are doing identically across the world in the ITF since I myself was part of the GTF for a period of time (due to my instructors choice) which does ITF stlye without changing anything but is not ITF. Damian Mavis Honour TKD Thailand

09-18-2006, 03:53 AM	#30 (permalink)
Damian Mavis Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 669 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well I'm really not too concerned heh, but theres a million other hardcore ITF'ers that would condemn your school, not saying that to be a jerk, I just know from experience. I've been taught 3 federations styles so I'm not as worried about who does what. My instructor was originally WTF, then when I joined we were ITF, then he switched to GTF after I got my black belt and when I left him I went back to ITF and living in Thailand I've trained alot of WTF. I'm not saying doing something different from what I'm doing is wrong, (I've done alot of different styles!) I'm just arguing about the way it seems your instructor is inferring the roots of his style didnt come from ITF. Dont be too angry at me because I'm just continuing the debate for the sake of debating, what you and your instructor do is no business of mine heh and all the power to you guys. But I'll throw this at you anyway: You are implying that your federation only shares a few names out of coincidence.... really? In the same order? But the moves are all different? I'm sure the only differences are the ones your instructor did and thought of himself. I'm positive at one time he was in the ITF and after he left he implemented a bunch of changes. In my opinion this is wrong.... but so what..... lots of people break off and do something similar, doesnt mean they can't teach TKD well. Or can't fight well. But to me if I were to break off there would be only 2 options. One is to continue teaching the ITF style and freely admit it and if anyone asks just tell them I love ITF TKD but couldnt stand the politics and federation OR I would get rid of everything and just be independant and not use anything that resembled my previous affiliation. To me when you do something in the middle you risk looking like a bad copy of something much bigger and I would'nt want that. Either stay exactly the same or completely different is the way to go. Anyway, like I said, no business of mine, just giving my opinion. Damian Mavis Honour TKD Thailand

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