eXcessiveForce

what I meant was I'd rather fight someone who only does Kata than someone who spent most of their time sparring.

I've competed against many Kata only type people and they are a breeze. It's the ones that have done lots of sparring that are the tricky ones.


I have always said that much can be learned from Kata but there are differences between competition and "the street" Kata can teach you tools and combinations but sparring is application.

Even then sparring is only approximation as "the Street" is a completely different frame of reference.

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Sircnay

My core martial art is TKD. My dojang was a McDojo for sure before I started teaching. I tried my hardest to turn it around but hey, I was 16 and there wasn't much I could do because in the end my "Sabumnim" was the end all and be all of decision making. That's why I quit that place.

In regards to the close fighting techniques, crescent kicks. I'm sickeningly quick with them. Someone can be touching their nose to mine, but I can still hit them with it. Hard to see it come because it's out of periphial vision, hard to block, and easy to do.

All of the street fights I've been in have always ended in me walking away with minimal damage because of the foot work I've learned/taught myself and with my opponent with broken ribs/jaw or unable to walk or unconcious.

jubaji

LOL

The BS meter is off the charts!!!

LOL

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Sircnay

You are such a man. God the amount of pretentious machoism from you simply makes me crumble.

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jubaji

Wow, you were "sickeningly quick" with that reply! I can almost feel my ribs/jaw breaking just reading about what you taught yourself!

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Sircnay

You're such a thug.

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TKDTyger

Yes I have used it in a street fight and yes I was successful. One again, in my eyes and in my Grandmasters eyes, there are 2 types of TKD, only. Competition and Fighting. People say the punching in TKD is borrowed from other martial arts, but the daddy of all martial arts is Kung Fu. So I suppose Bruce Lee was a fake since he borrowed kicks from TKD and hands from Wing Chun? I think not. Fighting is fighting, competition is compittion. It is easy to transfrom kicks to knees, fists to elbows. If you go back and think of things on a basic level, everything starts at the knees, hips and elbows anyways.

Broadsword2004

Well man, that does sound kind of fake. Sounds more like you're bragging.

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Sircnay

Still doesn't mean it's not true.

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Tom Yum

Hey man, whatever happened to those hilarious dating intros you used to use? Here's the game. Use your name to create a silly dating intro ala-Sircnay.


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I train for power and speed cause I can bang out explosive high reps with 225 on the deadlift and I also like long walks on the beach

Ironfist1989

TKD does have close range techniques, for instance i was taught to use the knife hand punch to the temple, but most techniques are deprived from Ju-Jitsu well the skool i go to does anyway, which most of the techniques we learn are always from when someone is attacking you first!!!

TKDTyger

Many people are saying that TKD "borrows" things from other martial arts, and rightfully so. TKD is rather new in the MA word considering Kung Fu and Karate, so obviously to create a fighting style, you will have to borrow from another style.

The difference is simply the way and time you use things. I was taught punching from my very first class and later I was taught knees, elbow, and forehead techniques. Jeet Kune Do is a prime example of a martial art that "borrows" from other fighting styles. Sure HapKiDo, Judo or Yudo (Korean Judo) and even boxing is all taught in TKD.

Now what I am thinking that most people are thinking and I believe I have read this comment before, TKD the MA is completely different from TKD the Olyimpic Sparring Styles. I have had my blackbelt for many years and after my 2nd Dan I truely learned what Combat TKD is. I am not sure how many masters out there teach this style of TKD, but it is taught to every R.O.C. (Republic of Korea) Marine. R.O.C. are some of the most feared hand to hand Units in the world. Perhaps it is a hybrid of TKD, but nontheless, Koreans call it Combat TKD.

kid-do

TKD would most likely never work in a street fight.... TKD mostly focuses on kicks they dont even use punches and trust me i know...... in a street fight if someone were to take u to the ground all of their TKD skills go down the drain because TKD fighters are trained in sparring and not ground tactics.... put it this way if a TKD gets taken to the ground its like a lion fighting an infant the TKD fighter has no chance in hell!!!!

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aku aku

It seems that the art of tkd contains many elements that are useful for self-defense. The problem is that the schools I've seen don't train them very well but I blame that on the school and not on the art of tkd. The tkd classes I've seen over emphasize fancy kicks and olympic style sparring.

SimonM

Said like someone with limited punching skills.

You can punch in so many ways:

From full hip chamber
From high chamber (chest height full chamber)
From boxing position (elbows bent, forearms pointing upwards in front of body, fists just above jaw height).
From an extended arm position (one or both arms in front of body and extended foreward, more than a 90 degree angle between bicep and forearm)
Or from a combination of two of these positions.

In addition a punch can come in from nine different basic angles.

Fist positioning can be either vertical or horizontal.

Strikes can be either straight or curved in vector of attack.

So four different starting positions for each arm means that there are 16 different basic positions you could start your arms in. There are nine angles of attack, vertical or horizontal fist positions, and each of these can approach from a straight or curved vector of attack.

That means that there are roughly 576 different basic punch configurations (16*9*2*2). I doubt that ANY style (even boxing) would teach even a small part of all of those; some of them would be damn stupid. So NO, punching technique is far from universal.