Ever been attacked/delth with a real world "situation"? - Page 3

Spookey · 09-27-2004, 01:08 AM

Dear Sir,

Your words ring true. I do not agree with my words, "If a child steps in a mans place...KNOCK HIM OUT!"

Those were words of fear and anger. Fear of a legal inability to defend the law abider from the criminal element, and anger as to the fact that I placed myself in a possibly fatal position in order to avoid potential legal ramifications...

Anyhow, it was a "win" as all survived the encounter unscaved (minus a few bruised ribs and a lump on my head)...the patrons continued to enjoy their evening, and the criminal (uh, I mean suspect...dont call the lawyers) went to the local youth detention facility!

Best regards,
Spookey
TAEKWON!

movingshadow · 09-29-2004, 10:59 AM

I was going for a walk down Marconi (this is street in Sacramento, CA)
it was 3 am and i was just going ot the 7-11 for late night snak. Car pulls up with 4-5 guys (its quiet and dark - during the day this street is busy all the time - right now no one was on the road) they stop on the sidewalk ahead of me about 25 feet from where I am walking.

They get out and start to walk towards me (kind of casually). Out-loud to myself I say "oh,.. f.u.c..k". and then I hear "what up g." The adrenalin is alread flowing in me but I didnt know it til i started running.. back to the gated complex I was living in. I got myself a headstart LONG before they could get near me.

I punch in the code, the gate opens I run inside. I don't know how I recall this. But they got in there car backed up on the road after me (in reverse). "Just get in the car!" - PFssheeya right. I was in the gate and gone before they could get anywhere near me.

That was that.
Insincts kicked in - I was was gone - I know that is the fastest I've ever ran in my life for that distance.

movingshadow · 09-29-2004, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spookey

Shadow,

I had an incedent tonight that should fit the thread well.

Serving as the "head of security" for a local venue, I encounter idiots of all caliber. Anyhow, during the coarse of the night, I witnessed an assault. Four possibly five individuals (ages 15 - 17) attacked a single juvenile. A member new member of our security immediately grabed the victim (thinking the attackers would abort...WRONG!) at which time they turned their attention on my guy. He succesfully shoved or disbalanced the primary attackers (2) while releasing the initial victim to allow him to defend himself. As I made way into the mix I noticed another attacker attempt to blind side my guy. I intersepted the attacker and attempted a throw (osato-gari or reaping throw)...however, do to the mass of people and the available room, my throw was not cmpletely succesful. He stumbled backwards but was held up by the other attackers. He returned fire with a looping right, which I slipped. I attempted to close the distance (rarely will I ever strike a juenile) in order to gain control over and subdue the attacker. I was subsequently tackled from behind by his accomplices. Now, I am on my back (having pulled my initial focus on top of me) and shielding myself from the onslaught of punches and kicks from the group. My firearm becomes visible so I immediately retain it with my right hand while attempting to wrestle my immediate attacker with the left. Finally, a fellow member of the security force began shoving those attackers that were still standing away and allowed me enough room to focus on my primary combatant. I simply held my position (under the young thug and in "the guard") until other personel arrived.

Point, never underestimate your adversary, attempting to be easy (less aggressive) can be fatal (re: risk of being disarmed), and as much as I know never to go to the ground in a crowd...that damned "guard" came in handy for something.

Had I simply executed a low snapkick after the initial contact, the whole situation would have unfolded much easier!

If a child steps into a mans place...Knock Him Out!

TAEKWON!
Spookey

If any of the security gaurds were to get involved in something like that they should have drawn, said back off - go get the victim. Bam it is all over. Is there some kind of procedure against this?

My guess is you work in a Juvinile detention facility. Just from what it sounds like. But anyway. yeah.

Spookey · 09-29-2004, 12:28 PM

Dear Sir,

First of all, I work for a local buisness owner as his personal protection advisor, secondary to this position I oversee security for his business...public entertainment facility.

Now, on to the reality of the matter. It is against the law in every state where you can legally carry a firearm to draw under these circumstances.
You should never brandish a firearm (especially in a crowd of 600 people, more less juveniles). Secondly, it is not soung advice to draw your sidearm if you do not intend to use it. Third, there is a legal "thing" called reasonable use of force.

The law does allow you to defend yourself, but only allows for the minimum amount of force necessary to defend ones self or that of a third party. Also, that amount of force used must be justified by the circumstances.

The statements made above are only a few of the reasons this is not any kind of readonable...

Please feel free to explain your logic in your previous post!

TAEKWON!
SPOOKEY

brokenelbow · 09-30-2004, 08:04 PM

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public entertainment facility.

Nudie bar.

osopardo · 09-30-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brokenelbow

Nudie bar.

He did say "juveniles", you juvenile.

Spookey · 09-30-2004, 10:47 PM

Dear Sir,

I provide security for a skating rink / teen club. Also, I act as the street gangs consultant for a local firm which secures some of the private (non public housing) complexes in the more crime infested neighborhoods!

Now, would you explain to me your rational logic behind "drawing" my sidearm under the given circumstances?

Mr. Oso,

Thank you for your assistance in my abscents!

TAEKWON!
Spookey

brokenelbow · 10-01-2004, 04:55 PM

There's nothing more juvenile than adult entertainment.

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Now, would you explain to me your rational logic behind "drawing" my sidearm under the given circumstances?

You follow your own logic, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Spookey · 10-01-2004, 11:53 PM

Dear Brokenelbow,

My post was directed to you in error...

Dear Moving Shadow,

Please explain your training and logic which would cause you to conclude that a firearm should be drawn in the circumstances?

TAEKWON!
Spookey

brokenelbow · 10-02-2004, 08:37 AM

No worries Spookey

movingshadow · 10-21-2004, 04:26 PM

I have no idea what kind of situation your referring to. I have about 10 years of Tea Kwon Do training. That and what..I have seen very Van dam Segal Movie (of coures that makes me xtra more dangerous right?).

I work for a computer company. I don't carry a gun and I think your trying to ask about some other reply

jubaji · 10-21-2004, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by movingshadow

I have about 10 years of Tea Kwon Do training.

Does that involve throwing boiling water at your attackers?

Devin · 10-21-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

Does that involve throwing boiling water at your attackers?

At my dojang we're taught to throw copies of Airbud: Golden Receiver. Even you miss, you win.

jubaji · 10-25-2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devin

At my dojang we're taught to throw copies of Airbud: Golden Receiver. Even you miss, you win.

That's too cruel

koto_ryu · 10-25-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

That's too cruel

Could be worse, could be the Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood

FATALITY!

09-27-2004, 01:08 AM	#31 (permalink)
Spookey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southeastern, USA Posts: 200	Mr. Oso Dear Sir, Your words ring true. I do not agree with my words, "If a child steps in a mans place...KNOCK HIM OUT!" Those were words of fear and anger. Fear of a legal inability to defend the law abider from the criminal element, and anger as to the fact that I placed myself in a possibly fatal position in order to avoid potential legal ramifications... Anyhow, it was a "win" as all survived the encounter unscaved (minus a few bruised ribs and a lump on my head)...the patrons continued to enjoy their evening, and the criminal (uh, I mean suspect...dont call the lawyers) went to the local youth detention facility! Best regards, Spookey TAEKWON!

09-29-2004, 10:59 AM	#32 (permalink)
movingshadow Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 24	Almost jumped I was going for a walk down Marconi (this is street in Sacramento, CA) it was 3 am and i was just going ot the 7-11 for late night snak. Car pulls up with 4-5 guys (its quiet and dark - during the day this street is busy all the time - right now no one was on the road) they stop on the sidewalk ahead of me about 25 feet from where I am walking. They get out and start to walk towards me (kind of casually). Out-loud to myself I say "oh,.. f.u.c..k". and then I hear "what up g." The adrenalin is alread flowing in me but I didnt know it til i started running.. back to the gated complex I was living in. I got myself a headstart LONG before they could get near me. I punch in the code, the gate opens I run inside. I don't know how I recall this. But they got in there car backed up on the road after me (in reverse). "Just get in the car!" - PFssheeya right. I was in the gate and gone before they could get anywhere near me. That was that. Insincts kicked in - I was was gone - I know that is the fastest I've ever ran in my life for that distance.

09-29-2004, 12:28 PM	#34 (permalink)
Spookey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southeastern, USA Posts: 200	Wrong!!!!! Dear Sir, First of all, I work for a local buisness owner as his personal protection advisor, secondary to this position I oversee security for his business...public entertainment facility. Now, on to the reality of the matter. It is against the law in every state where you can legally carry a firearm to draw under these circumstances. You should never brandish a firearm (especially in a crowd of 600 people, more less juveniles). Secondly, it is not soung advice to draw your sidearm if you do not intend to use it. Third, there is a legal "thing" called reasonable use of force. The law does allow you to defend yourself, but only allows for the minimum amount of force necessary to defend ones self or that of a third party. Also, that amount of force used must be justified by the circumstances. The statements made above are only a few of the reasons this is not any kind of readonable... Please feel free to explain your logic in your previous post! TAEKWON! SPOOKEY

09-30-2004, 10:47 PM	#37 (permalink)
Spookey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southeastern, USA Posts: 200	Brokenelbow Dear Sir, I provide security for a skating rink / teen club. Also, I act as the street gangs consultant for a local firm which secures some of the private (non public housing) complexes in the more crime infested neighborhoods! Now, would you explain to me your rational logic behind "drawing" my sidearm under the given circumstances? Mr. Oso, Thank you for your assistance in my abscents! TAEKWON! Spookey __________________ Taekwon-Do Oh Do Kwan - Chang Han Family

10-01-2004, 11:53 PM	#39 (permalink)
Spookey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southeastern, USA Posts: 200	Pardon Me! Dear Brokenelbow, My post was directed to you in error... Dear Moving Shadow, Please explain your training and logic which would cause you to conclude that a firearm should be drawn in the circumstances? TAEKWON! Spookey __________________ Taekwon-Do Oh Do Kwan - Chang Han Family

10-02-2004, 08:37 AM	#40 (permalink)
brokenelbow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 520	No worries Spookey __________________ The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach. Damnit... it made sense when it was running through my head. DM

10-21-2004, 04:26 PM	#41 (permalink)
movingshadow Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 24	Drawing a gun under (What) circumstances? I have no idea what kind of situation your referring to. I have about 10 years of Tea Kwon Do training. That and what..I have seen very Van dam Segal Movie (of coures that makes me xtra more dangerous right?). I work for a computer company. I don't carry a gun and I think your trying to ask about some other reply

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