Why is TKD retarded? - Page 7

academian · 03-09-2005, 02:23 PM

I have never killed or paralized anyone but I have knocked several people out using a lighter version of the same techinque in a similar area. Its kinda like ignoring you jubaji. I know I can do it. you say that you dont believe me but really you know that I can do it because you could do it too if you so choose.

As for how and where to apply the techniques. Im not going to give that out on the forum where any one can read it and I am not going to tell someone that I only know thru the form .Just telling you would be pretty pointless anyway that would be like you trying to tell someone how to do a high level MT technique. it takes good training and alot of practice. Which brings us back to why this thread was started to begin with. If you would have found a good Instructor and beared with it until you came to understand what you considered rubbish and got some experience in the art you would have been taught these kind of techniques.Instead you came on this forum and smashed an art that you have little or no understanding of And now you want me to share techniques from that art? OK!?

zhorner · 03-09-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by academian

I have never killed or paralized anyone but I have knocked several people out using a lighter version of the same techinque in a similar area. Its kinda like ignoring you jubaji. I know I can do it. you say that you dont believe me but really you know that I can do it because you could do it too if you so choose.

As for how and where to apply the techniques. Im not going to give that out on the forum where any one can read it and I am not going to tell someone that I only know thru the form .Just telling you would be pretty pointless anyway that would be like you trying to tell someone how to do a high level MT technique. it takes good training and alot of practice. Which brings us back to why this thread was started to begin with. If you would have found a good Instructor and beared with it until you came to understand what you considered rubbish and got some experience in the art you would have been taught these kind of techniques.Instead you came on this forum and smashed an art that you have little or no understanding of And now you want me to share techniques from that art? OK!?

here is what would have had to happen for me to not bash tkd.......never wrestled or done submissions in my life. never seen nhb, never trained with nhb fighter, never train muay thai (i do not claim to be a muay thai master, i am new to it, but do understand the basics). that way, when i did go to a good instructor, i would have no idea that these stances are retarded. even then i would probably realize that walking lunges and squats are better for increasing leg strength.

zhorner · 03-09-2005, 02:35 PM

also, your secret technique does not work, i imagine it is a strike to the back of the head. well, when you shoot in, your head is up, and dug in deep into the oblique area of your opponent, do you still think you can execute this punch? if so, puff the magic dragon agrees with you.

academian · 03-09-2005, 02:41 PM

You can imagine all that you want but untill you get to that level you will never know. just watch who you shoot in on in real life.And no its not a strike to the back of the head(that is just asking for a broken hand)try again..

academian · 03-09-2005, 02:58 PM

This may come as a surprise to you (or it may not) but really I agree with you. the majority of stuff in TKD is really retarded and has absolutly no use in real combat (I made it to green belt before I moved on to better things).I believe that BJJ and MT are probally the most realistic and effective mixed martial arts combo ever created. I just like to debate it stimulates thought.The tameshiwara strikes are real but are from kenpo not TKD and it would be difficult but not impossible to execute in real combat but needless to say it should only be used in a life or death situation..so did you enjoy the debate?

Andrew WA · 03-09-2005, 03:12 PM

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i would really like it if you TKD junkies would go buy mark kerr's smashing machine DVD. you could have a pizza and a movie night and all sleep in your gi's..it will be fun. watch the movie, and tell me what any TKD guy in the whole world could do to that. my answer is- super tkd man could do nothing but die.

You may be a total dick and an asshole but that was pretty funny...except in Korean its dobak not gi. And if your going to bash on people who wear uniforms such as those you are bashing brazilian jui jitsu because they wear them too. Same with judo. At least they dont look as gay as your fag looking tight spandex hahaha!

Andrew WA · 03-09-2005, 03:21 PM

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that is a completely false statement. you do not have to be in a back balance stance to kick. it is taught as a stance that you can be in for more than a few moments. and it is asinine. you stand with both heels on the same line, one pointed forward, the other to the side......are you kidding me????

Idiot the back stance is not done on the same line!! Its shoulder width. And yes one foot is slightly pointed so it makes a L shape. When you are kicking and punching a lot in a fight you will be in these stances. Almost every martial art has certain stances and they were made by studying what stances people ussually take on the battlefield. Yes BATTLEFIELD as in a WAR with swords and spears and battle axes. There are less stances to learn in unarmded styles though.

Oh and in TKD olympic style fighting they dont stop the matches when people score a point. That is karate point fighting. But it doesnt matter anyway because they both suck.

You act as if everyone who trains in TKD does it to be in the olympics. You dont seem to undestand there are quite a few traditionalists out there who could hand your ass to you in a few seconds.

I would like to see you go up against a TKD fighter who has trained for years and years who is your same weight and age and see who wins. (of course you will say you win because your stupid)

Andrew WA · 03-09-2005, 03:30 PM

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here is what would have had to happen for me to not bash tkd.......never wrestled or done submissions in my life. never seen nhb, never trained with nhb fighter, never train muay thai (i do not claim to be a muay thai master, i am new to it, but do understand the basics). that way, when i did go to a good instructor, i would have no idea that these stances are retarded. even then i would probably realize that walking lunges and squats are better for increasing leg strength.

You act as if TKD stylists dont condition or lift weights or do squats or walking lunges. I do them all.

Also how many real fights have you been in to even prove your wrestling skills are effective? I did wrestling when I was a little kid and not much of it is useful, only some of the main basics. In a lot of moves the guy would be choking you or punching you like crazy and pinching you and doing a lot of nasty things. Wrestling is a sport just like Olympic TKD sparring with a lot of rules. You talk like your so NHB. Have you even tried it? Dont talk so much crap until you can have evidence to support yourself.

jubaji · 03-09-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by academian

I have never killed or paralized anyone :

I didn't think so.

Nothing but bullshit.

jubaji · 03-09-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by academian

As for how and where to apply the techniques. Im not going to give that out on the forum where any one can read it and I am not going to tell someone that I only know thru the form .:

hahahahahaaahahahahahahaahahahaaaa!

Too deadly to reveal! Ancient Chinese Secrets!

What a huge steaming load of bullshit!

jubaji · 03-09-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by academian

You can imagine all that you want but untill you get to that level you will never know.

Ah! Only for the "high level" masters!

Classic bullshit posturing. Textbook.

jubaji · 03-09-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew WA

I would like to see you go up against a TKD fighter who has trained for years and years who is your same weight and age and see who wins.

Yeah, in some kind of forum where people from different backgrounds can compete agains each other...wait a minute...

academian · 03-09-2005, 04:30 PM

Yes but true nonetheless............

jubaji · 03-09-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew WA

Also how many real fights have you been in to even prove your wrestling skills are effective? I did wrestling when I was a little kid and not much of it is useful, only some of the main basics. In a lot of moves the guy would be choking you or punching you like crazy and pinching you and doing a lot of nasty things.

Wow, your "little kid" experience certainly seems to qualify you as an expert. Your question was a mistake, because you will be hard pressed to find a wrestler of any significant experience who hasn't been in quite a lot of scraps on the street. However, Steve Stripmall the TKD master is more likely to be of the ilk who says things like "I never had to, but if I did..."

Andrew WA · 03-09-2005, 04:43 PM

I just think its lame how people go online just to bash other martial arts that are different from theirs because they are bored and have no life to. Plus its totally trendy to bash TKD. Its not like I go online bashing every other art all the time and making stupid claims.

Wrestling has its good points but you cant just rely strictly on it. At least im open minded when it comes to MAs.

03-09-2005, 02:23 PM	#91 (permalink)
academian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 382 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have never killed or paralized anyone but I have knocked several people out using a lighter version of the same techinque in a similar area. Its kinda like ignoring you jubaji. I know I can do it. you say that you dont believe me but really you know that I can do it because you could do it too if you so choose. As for how and where to apply the techniques. Im not going to give that out on the forum where any one can read it and I am not going to tell someone that I only know thru the form .Just telling you would be pretty pointless anyway that would be like you trying to tell someone how to do a high level MT technique. it takes good training and alot of practice. Which brings us back to why this thread was started to begin with. If you would have found a good Instructor and beared with it until you came to understand what you considered rubbish and got some experience in the art you would have been taught these kind of techniques.Instead you came on this forum and smashed an art that you have little or no understanding of And now you want me to share techniques from that art? OK!? __________________ "In Karate there is no First Strike" In Kenpo it is reversed: In Kenpo there should be no Second Strike

03-09-2005, 02:41 PM	#94 (permalink)
academian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 382 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	You can imagine all that you want but untill you get to that level you will never know. just watch who you shoot in on in real life.And no its not a strike to the back of the head(that is just asking for a broken hand)try again.. __________________ "In Karate there is no First Strike" In Kenpo it is reversed: In Kenpo there should be no Second Strike

03-09-2005, 02:58 PM	#95 (permalink)
academian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 382 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	This may come as a surprise to you (or it may not) but really I agree with you. the majority of stuff in TKD is really retarded and has absolutly no use in real combat (I made it to green belt before I moved on to better things).I believe that BJJ and MT are probally the most realistic and effective mixed martial arts combo ever created. I just like to debate it stimulates thought.The tameshiwara strikes are real but are from kenpo not TKD and it would be difficult but not impossible to execute in real combat but needless to say it should only be used in a life or death situation..so did you enjoy the debate? __________________ "In Karate there is no First Strike" In Kenpo it is reversed: In Kenpo there should be no Second Strike

03-09-2005, 04:30 PM	#103 (permalink)
academian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 382 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes but true nonetheless............ __________________ "In Karate there is no First Strike" In Kenpo it is reversed: In Kenpo there should be no Second Strike

03-09-2005, 04:43 PM	#105 (permalink)
Andrew WA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Posts: 254 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just think its lame how people go online just to bash other martial arts that are different from theirs because they are bored and have no life to. Plus its totally trendy to bash TKD. Its not like I go online bashing every other art all the time and making stupid claims. Wrestling has its good points but you cant just rely strictly on it. At least im open minded when it comes to MAs. __________________ Zin-ji! Why are you so stupid?...If you hadn't let him escape...You will be executed now. Six months hard labor!

03-09-2005, 02:35 PM	#93 (permalink)
zhorner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 196 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	also, your secret technique does not work, i imagine it is a strike to the back of the head. well, when you shoot in, your head is up, and dug in deep into the oblique area of your opponent, do you still think you can execute this punch? if so, puff the magic dragon agrees with you.

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