AlexJitsu

Case in point:

http://www.tkd.risp.pl/Juras_HL_Extreme.wmv

God. Rabbit punches. Kill me now.

zhorner

wow, that is a really funny movie. why would you post that in defense for tkd. the guy would jump around when he punches.

dear god, please let this juras fellow fight in pride or ufc just one time. preferably against vitor belfort so they can go toe to toe for a while before vitor has sex with his butt.

Tom Yum

His boxing and general infighting wasn't that impressive. His kicks looked sharp and powerfull.

In those later matches, you can tell he's done some ground work, probably BJJ.

Tom Yum

Juras isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't in the same class as Belfort.

I don't think most of us are in the same class as Belfort, but if you are then you have every right to talk.

Belfort is a professional fighter with Golden Gloves level boxing and advanced grappling. Juras is an aggressive 1st dan ITF TKD and perhaps a blue belt BJJ.

Big difference in these guys training.

zhorner

my point is that juras is obviously considered a great tkd fighter seeing as how it was his video that was posted. a great tkd fighter is a low-level pride fighter. which all goes back to my first post telling the starter of the thread that he would gain so much more doing something that closer resembles a street fight.

Whispers

Reguardless of how many people hate TKD and for what reasons, your school doesn't seem to teach the type of TKD that most people complain about. You have full contact training and work hard on your technique, so it should serve you fine. You might want to cross train to cover ground work and grappling, but as for striking, you should be fine.

AlexJitsu

Or he just watches the UFC and thinks he can do a double leg. Who knows, really?

TKDTyger

Here is my 2 cents:

1st
The high flying, areial, and, "dancing" that I have been ppl talk about are competitors the weight at the most 145 pounds. In the sprot of WTF speed is key. If you can watch the heavier weight classes, you will see a much more controlled and cautious match. I have read in other threads that those matches seem boring even. In reality, no matter what MA you take for SD, how effective will a person that small be?

Now with that in mind, when it comes to training, WTF is FULL SPEED. I weight 190 pounds and I spar fin, fly, light and welter weight in training. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT OF REAL TIME SPARRING. Sure Muai Tai is full speed, and is fast, but we in WTF learn to use our feet as a second set of hands. We can kick with accuracy and power ALMOST as fast as some one can punch, we just have a longer reach. I have friends who do Greco Roman wrestling and they can not shoot on me for fear of getting a roundhouse or pushkick in the head. I, like many, many other practitioners of WTF kick fast and have the power to back it up. Those who do not do WTF competition do not and can not understand how we can modify our movements to accomedate a SD moment nor do they know what kind of power we make. We learn to move out of reach and our retreats are fast. Our retreats are fast, calculated, and effective. If someone rushes me, I am confident in my abilities to be able to sidestep, slideback, jump back, or even run back to stay out of their range. A defensive fighter is always going to have an advantage over an offensive one. We have student who just arrived from a MT school here in Va Beach (Lynxx Academy) and joined my DoJang. He came in with an open mind and he was quite surprised at the speed in which we kick and the power we generate.

In every DoJang, there is at least 3 fighters who are good no matter what type of school it is. Mcdojang or whatever. The only time that is not true is if someone is learning from someone who is not or was not a good practioner themsleves.

2nd

WTF is sport orientated and there for demands the best conditioning. What gets me, I go to kickboxing tounements, most recently East Coast Classic in Va Beach, and the guys who were based in boxing often winded before those who were kick based. I would say, 90% of the competitors who were comfortable with kicking won belts. That has to say something for kicking. I saw kicks to the body knockouts as well as spinning back kicks and hook kicks to the face where the kick slipt right through the defenders guard. Also I seen people block back kicks, but upon contact, they lost some balance and left themselves open for a few combo kicks that ended the match. Guess what, kickboxing is allowed to punch to the face.

One last note:
I agree with others when they say a certain level of coordination is needed for WTF fighting. It is like football. Not every college sends all thier seniors to the draft, only the elite few can make it at that level. When it comes to WTF, either you have it or you dont. I have not seen one person in my 20+ years of training, make it to nationals or worlds without natural talent.

pstevens

Muay Thai is a sport, Boxing is a sport, BJJ is a sport, MMA is a sport. MMA barely goes back 10 years, does it make MMA less credulous? C'mon, where's the logic here?...

Anyone jumping around like a fairy will get killed, but solid kicking skills can knock people out.

The best TKD fighters you've seen were competing in a sport that gives minimal points for punching, such as WTF. I've never seen kicking in Boxing, does not make boxing bad?

I think you've just shown us why you're ignorant. But if it's any consolation, I think the average TKD gym is crappy, but for different reasons.

zhorner

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

your greco roman wrestling buddies do not shoot in on you because:

A. they are turds and lack the confidence.

or

B. GRECO ROMAN WRESTLERS ARENT TRAINED TO TAKE SHOOTS, THEY ARE CLINCH FIGHTERS. LOOK UP THE RULES YOU MONKEY, THEY ARE NOT ALOWED TO ATTACK THE LEGS OF THEIR OPPONENTS.

who is this guy.........what a potato.

TKDTyger

In high school it is called greco roman and yes they do shoot to your legs. If they do not shoot to your legs, what is the SPRAWL used for? Ok perhaps I have the TYPE of wrestling wrong. THERE IS A TYPE OF WRESTLING THAT TEACH SHOOTING. Watch the NCAA Nationals. The friends I have are probably not the best wrestlers in the U.S, but they all compete in college.

I am interested on what you call NCAA/High School Wrestling. So I dont post the wrong information again. Thanks

Do not doubt ones ability if you never seen it first hand.

zhorner

greco roman wrestling is upper body. instead of double leg, single leg take downs, heel picks ect.... they get into clinches, for example, underhooks. the type of wrestling your friends do is probably freestyle or folksyle, both of which involve your traditional shooting in. it is not called greco roman in high school unless they do...greco roman. most high schools do folkstyle.

and yes the sprawl is used as defense against takedowns.

you are a mullet.

Tom Yum

LOL!!! You owned him. You've got to be an upperbody monster to do well in Greco.

You got to give credit where its due - top TKD fighters can kick really fast and really hard. There's an old photo of GM He Il Cho landing a spinning back kick into a heavy bag and breaking it.

Muay thai fighters have been KOd by spinning back kicks to the body or spinning wheel kicks to the head from western muay thai fighters, but this is a rareity.

little bad boy

I guess its all in the person and not in the art. If he's training in TKD and is good at it, he coud beat anyone in whatever fighting art. If one is trained in Kungfu and is good at it, he could beat anybody in any other art like BJJ, TKD, Ninjitsu or whatever. If Mr. Zhorner here is trained in grappling or whatever art he is into and is good at it, he could beat somebody else in a different art like TKD or whatever.

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just love to hate.

Didn't bruce lee do some tae kwon do?

What style did he do?

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