Why do so many people hate Tae Kwon Do? - Page 3

bbbb · 04-05-2005, 09:44 PM

FIGHTER handle the shooter?

bbbb · 04-05-2005, 09:46 PM

Bruce Lee handle the shooter?!)?!!?

zhorner · 04-05-2005, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bbbb

Bruce Lee handle the shooter?!)?!!?

i dont know, i know he trained with some ground fighter and shortly after decided to add grappling to jet kune do.

eXcessiveForce · 04-06-2005, 08:43 AM

bruce lee trained with Joon Rhee

SimonM · 04-06-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by zhorner

B. GRECO ROMAN WRESTLERS ARENT TRAINED TO TAKE SHOOTS, THEY ARE CLINCH FIGHTERS. LOOK UP THE RULES YOU MONKEY, THEY ARE NOT ALOWED TO ATTACK THE LEGS OF THEIR OPPONENTS.

Mabey we do it different in Canada but the first two moves I learned in Graeco Roman Wrestling were the Double Leg Takedown and the Single Leg Takedown; you can't strike in GRW but you can attack the legs if you can get past the sprawl.

And Zhorner it was DEFINATELY GRW; not "folk wrestling".

zhorner · 04-06-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

http://www.martial-way.com/grwrestling.html
http://www2.edgate.com/summergames/s.../wrestling.php
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9037908
http://www.sports.gov.pk/html/wrestling.htm
http://uswoawrestlingofficials.com/U...EBOOK_2005.pdf pages 44-46

There are hundreds more, but hopefully this will put the issue to bed. The simple fact is, Greco-Roman wrestling is an upper-body form of wrestling in which the rules specifically prohibit any holds below the waist, and specifically prohibit the use of the legs in obtaining a fall.

In other words, if you're doing true Greco-Roman wrestling, you aren't learning double-leg takedowns or single leg takedowns. They're illegal in the sport. Your coach may be teaching you elements of freestyle or folk-style wrestling, but those techniques are not, were not, and never will be part of the Greco-Roman curriculum.

PS: this is a great site for some info on how to execute various techniques. Just thought I'd share.
http://www.themat.com/articles/showfaq.asp?fldAuto=5

thank you for submitting that info so i wouldnt have to, these mullets just dont get it i guess.

jubaji · 04-06-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonM

Mabey we do it different in Canada but the first two moves I learned in Graeco Roman Wrestling were the Double Leg Takedown and the Single Leg Takedown; you can't strike in GRW but you can attack the legs if you can get past the sprawl.".

You are mistaken

AlexJitsu · 04-06-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pstevens

Muay Thai is a sport, Boxing is a sport, BJJ is a sport, MMA is a sport. MMA barely goes back 10 years, does it make MMA less credulous? C'mon, where's the logic here?...

Yes, but Muay Thai has thousands of years of history as a fighting art outside of the ring, and western boxing has almost 300 years. Not to say that new arts suck or anything, but rumor has it that TKD is basically gimped out shotokan. It has also been proven that it does not go back thousands of years, and that flying kicks weren't used to knock off mounted horseman (lol).

zhorner · 04-07-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pstevens

Muay Thai is a sport, Boxing is a sport, BJJ is a sport, MMA is a sport. MMA barely goes back 10 years, does it make MMA less credulous? C'mon, where's the logic here?...

i just caught this.

MMA barely goes back 10 years?????

vale tudo, (anything goes), has been going on in brazil for longer than that.

ALSO......pankration was done in ancient greece an an olympic event thousands of years ago.................combo of wrestling and boxing.

to conclude. you are a potato, and mixed martial arts goes back a lot longer than 10 years.

pstevens · 04-10-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by zhorner

i just caught this.

MMA barely goes back 10 years?????

vale tudo, (anything goes), has been going on in brazil for longer than that.

ALSO......pankration was done in ancient greece an an olympic event thousands of years ago.................combo of wrestling and boxing.

to conclude. you are a potato, and mixed martial arts goes back a lot longer than 10 years.

zhorner,

I haven't been on here for a while, so I forgot that you're a dufus... Mixed Martial Arts as we know it today (e.g. Pride, UFC, NHB related events) isn't the same as the ancient Greek Pankration. No one knows for sure what the Greeks actually practiced... We only know theories.

If you actually had half the brain you were given, you'd understand that my point was addressing MMA as it is recognized presently. The point remains that Muay Thai is a sport, Boxing is a sport, and so is TKD... The fact is people in these sports are more athletic, skilled and better fighters than most folks who claim to be doing the "non-sport", "non-contact" version. Some guy whose been practicing traditional Muay Thai in a cave for 20 years is a wuss.

zhorner · 04-10-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pstevens

zhorner,

I haven't been on here for a while, so I forgot that you're a dufus... Mixed Martial Arts as we know it today (e.g. Pride, UFC, NHB related events) isn't the same as the ancient Greek Pankration. No one knows for sure what the Greeks actually practiced... We only know theories.

If you actually had half the brain you were given, you'd understand that my point was addressing MMA as it is recognized presently. The point remains that Muay Thai is a sport, Boxing is a sport, and so is TKD... The fact is people in these sports are more athletic, skilled and better fighters than most folks who claim to be doing the "non-sport", "non-contact" version. Some guy whose been practicing traditional Muay Thai in a cave for 20 years is a wuss.

oh wow, oh wow.......what a mullet.

thats fine....they are all sports. but a tkd sport fighter would get his stomach eaten by an mma fighter.

oh yes......and you are a ham sandwich.

ChunGi · 04-11-2005, 10:12 PM

I have been backing this same argument for a long ass time................... ITF=not for sport (as seen by the lack of padding in the video)
WTF= Lame for sport uber padded crazy scared kiddies version

bodhisattva · 04-13-2005, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Yum

LOL!!! You owned him. You've got to be an upperbody monster to do well in Greco.

That's not true. We use greco roman in the clinch range at SBG. It is non-attribute.. it is all about technique.

Muscle ALWAYS helps, however, and Greco Roman wrestlers who compete, as a result, ARE upper body monsters..as they do anything they can to get an edge over their fellow professional athletes.., just like all professional athletes do..

zhorner · 04-13-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhisattva

That's not true. We use greco roman in the clinch range at SBG. It is non-attribute.. it is all about technique.

Muscle ALWAYS helps, however, and Greco Roman wrestlers who compete, as a result, ARE upper body monsters..as they do anything they can to get an edge over their fellow professional athletes.., just like all professional athletes do..

that was about three or four sentences of irrelevance

bodhisattva · 04-13-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by zhorner

that was about three or four sentences of irrelevance

i was quoting another person's post, and then responding to it, directly.

He was talking about greco, and I was talking about greco.

How is that irrelevant?

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ChunGi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 55	I have been backing this same argument for a long ass time................... ITF=not for sport (as seen by the lack of padding in the video) WTF= Lame for sport uber padded crazy scared kiddies version __________________ Utmost Respect.

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