How many TKD poomse exist?

Andrew WA · 08-15-2005, 09:12 AM

I was looking at websites and there seems to be about 90 different forms to learn. That is a lot. Can anyone here name most of them? How about the really early forms? I want to learn all of them.

eXcessiveForce · 08-15-2005, 10:19 AM

there is a post on the boards that lists many of the different poomse.

there are 18 songahm forms (after 6th degree half of the form is personalized to the master but must meet certain requirements.)

Then there are the Taeguek
The Palgewe (sp?)

I have forgotten how to spell most of them

I know of a few othersl

I believe the previous post was made by spookey

Spookey · 08-15-2005, 03:06 PM

Dear All,

The following is a list of the most prevalent hyungs of Taekwon-Do both past and present. For time and space, I have included only the name of each set. This will allow you to research greater in the areas you wish to pursue!

Pyong Ahn (also refered to as Heian or Pinan)
Chong-Han (also refered to as Chon-Ji)
Pal-Gwe
Songham
Tae-Geuk

The Pyong Ahn are a Korean reflection of the earlier Okinawan and Japanese Kata as well as the Chinese Pinan forms from which they are believed to have reflected in turn.
Chang-Hon is the first set of hyungs exclusive to Taekwon-Do and are therefore often seen as the first set of "Taekwon-Do Hyungs".
The WTF later created the Pal-Gwe hyungs as compliment to the Korean "Nationalist" Taekwon-Do after Choi Hong Hi left the Republic of Korea for exhile in Canada.
The Songham forms were created by H. U. Lee founder of the Songham style of Taekwon-Do. Songham is best know in the modern U.S. as the ATA style. This is the only set of Taekwon-Do patterns to be copywritten (to the best of my knowledge).
Finally, the Tae-Geuks were created (again by the Kukkiwon-WTF) to relect the evolution of the art as reflected by their practitioners.

TAEKWON!
SPooKeY

Whispers · 08-15-2005, 09:11 PM

There are also variations used by individual schools. For example, my school uses the chong han(chong-ji) forms, but we insert an extra form called "bo-chung" as the second form.

ajs1976 · 08-16-2005, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spookey

Pyong Ahn (also refered to as Heian or Pinan)
Chong-Han (also refered to as Chon-Ji)
Pal-Gwe
Songham
Tae-Geuk

I would like to add the the WTF Black Belt Poomsae to the list Spookey posted. There are 8 of them and I believe they were created at the same time as the Palgwe forms. You can find some information about the Taegeuk and WTF black belt Poomsae at the kukkiwon website. http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/tkskil...ndex.asp?div=3

Andrew WA · 08-17-2005, 12:10 PM

So are the pyong an forms the same as the shotokan forms? Exactly the same?

Whispers · 08-17-2005, 12:27 PM

No. They may have been at one time, but new forms have been invented since then and the interpretation of the forms have changed so the specifics of their performance have changed as well.

Andrew WA · 08-18-2005, 11:26 AM

So basically the TKD pyong ahn forms are just based on the shotokahn and almost alike but not quite.

What about kitcho? How many exist?

Does anyone know where I can get a book that has every single form listed and their meanings and their applications? Or who teaches them? I just hope to one day know every form up to my current rank in TKD before I die.

Whispers · 08-18-2005, 01:40 PM

Why the focus on learning all the forms?

eXcessiveForce · 08-18-2005, 02:12 PM

I don't want to rain on your parade, but i think it would be unlikely that you will be able to learn all the forms correctly. Each system has its unique way of stances, names for the techniques, chambering and execution of technique and other details that would conflict.

Additionally the songahm forms are copyrighted and not generally available to people outside the system the way encyclopedias are available that give you up to 1st degree form but beyond that only instructors are given the material.
I only have up to 5th degree.

the others may be easier to obtain though.

**HtTKar** · 08-18-2005, 11:18 PM

Quote:

I don't want to rain on your parade, but i think it would be unlikely that you will be able to learn all the forms correctly. Each system has its unique way of stances, names for the techniques, chambering and execution of technique and other details that would conflict

exactly. From one school to the next, the way they interpret the applications behind the movements can vary greatly.

Andrew WA · 08-22-2005, 07:37 AM

Well with the horrible technique and lack of application tuaght to students in Korean MA's its no wonder there are so many problems to face whenb learning forms. Its a big joke to me how so many schools suck and look like retards doing forms and everyone has a different interpretation of a movement.

Why would any forms be copywrited? Wernt they originally made in Korea anyway?

I just want to learn the forms up to 2nd dan in each system of TKD. I know about 28 different forms by heart right now.

eXcessiveForce · 08-22-2005, 10:14 AM

No the songahm forms were created in the United States. They were to be the first true TKD forms emphasising kicking as well as hand techniques. They were offered up and rejected by the Koreans. SO H.U. Lee started his own system. They are copywrited and defended so the only way to get them is to buy them, or be taught them by someone who knows them.

Without being taught I doubt you would be able to learn the songahm forms. Especially at blackbelt level.

eXcessiveForce · 08-22-2005, 10:15 AM

There is a break away group that has access to the songahm forms. It is Martial arts research systems. They use a modified Songahm form called Miles. So there is another set for you to learn.

Andrew WA · 08-23-2005, 02:41 PM

If it wasnt accepted by the Koreans then I dont want to learn it. I only care to learn the old and traditional TKD forms that were accepted by any of the Korean federations from the original kwans.

I will not ever try to learn "Joon Rhees Martial Arts Ballet" any anything else with a stupid name or made in another country or another school form.

So if you can list the traditional forms that have been created by either WTF or ITF or any of the old old forms then let me know.

I have a problem with the ITF forms because everytime I see a video of them the people totally suck and arnt even doing them right at all! I can tell because of an official book I have of the forms says otherwise. So why does nationaltkd.net ot whatever the website is for that place have such stupid people representing TKD?

08-15-2005, 09:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Andrew WA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Posts: 254	How many TKD poomse exist? I was looking at websites and there seems to be about 90 different forms to learn. That is a lot. Can anyone here name most of them? How about the really early forms? I want to learn all of them. __________________ Zin-ji! Why are you so stupid?...If you hadn't let him escape...You will be executed now. Six months hard labor!

08-15-2005, 10:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,744	there is a post on the boards that lists many of the different poomse. there are 18 songahm forms (after 6th degree half of the form is personalized to the master but must meet certain requirements.) Then there are the Taeguek The Palgewe (sp?) I have forgotten how to spell most of them I know of a few othersl I believe the previous post was made by spookey __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

08-15-2005, 03:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
Spookey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southeastern, USA Posts: 200	Common Pattern Sets... Dear All, The following is a list of the most prevalent hyungs of Taekwon-Do both past and present. For time and space, I have included only the name of each set. This will allow you to research greater in the areas you wish to pursue! Pyong Ahn (also refered to as Heian or Pinan) Chong-Han (also refered to as Chon-Ji) Pal-Gwe Songham Tae-Geuk The Pyong Ahn are a Korean reflection of the earlier Okinawan and Japanese Kata as well as the Chinese Pinan forms from which they are believed to have reflected in turn. Chang-Hon is the first set of hyungs exclusive to Taekwon-Do and are therefore often seen as the first set of "Taekwon-Do Hyungs". The WTF later created the Pal-Gwe hyungs as compliment to the Korean "Nationalist" Taekwon-Do after Choi Hong Hi left the Republic of Korea for exhile in Canada. The Songham forms were created by H. U. Lee founder of the Songham style of Taekwon-Do. Songham is best know in the modern U.S. as the ATA style. This is the only set of Taekwon-Do patterns to be copywritten (to the best of my knowledge). Finally, the Tae-Geuks were created (again by the Kukkiwon-WTF) to relect the evolution of the art as reflected by their practitioners. TAEKWON! SPooKeY __________________ Taekwon-Do Oh Do Kwan - Chang Han Family

08-17-2005, 12:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew WA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Posts: 254	So are the pyong an forms the same as the shotokan forms? Exactly the same? __________________ Zin-ji! Why are you so stupid?...If you hadn't let him escape...You will be executed now. Six months hard labor!

08-18-2005, 11:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
Andrew WA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Posts: 254	So basically the TKD pyong ahn forms are just based on the shotokahn and almost alike but not quite. What about kitcho? How many exist? Does anyone know where I can get a book that has every single form listed and their meanings and their applications? Or who teaches them? I just hope to one day know every form up to my current rank in TKD before I die. __________________ Zin-ji! Why are you so stupid?...If you hadn't let him escape...You will be executed now. Six months hard labor!

08-15-2005, 09:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Whispers Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 52	There are also variations used by individual schools. For example, my school uses the chong han(chong-ji) forms, but we insert an extra form called "bo-chung" as the second form.

08-17-2005, 12:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Whispers Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 52	No. They may have been at one time, but new forms have been invented since then and the interpretation of the forms have changed so the specifics of their performance have changed as well.

08-18-2005, 01:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Whispers Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 52	Why the focus on learning all the forms?

08-18-2005, 02:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,744	I don't want to rain on your parade, but i think it would be unlikely that you will be able to learn all the forms correctly. Each system has its unique way of stances, names for the techniques, chambering and execution of technique and other details that would conflict. Additionally the songahm forms are copyrighted and not generally available to people outside the system the way encyclopedias are available that give you up to 1st degree form but beyond that only instructors are given the material. I only have up to 5th degree. the others may be easier to obtain though. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

08-22-2005, 07:37 AM	#12 (permalink)
Andrew WA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Posts: 254	Well with the horrible technique and lack of application tuaght to students in Korean MA's its no wonder there are so many problems to face whenb learning forms. Its a big joke to me how so many schools suck and look like retards doing forms and everyone has a different interpretation of a movement. Why would any forms be copywrited? Wernt they originally made in Korea anyway? I just want to learn the forms up to 2nd dan in each system of TKD. I know about 28 different forms by heart right now. __________________ Zin-ji! Why are you so stupid?...If you hadn't let him escape...You will be executed now. Six months hard labor!

08-22-2005, 10:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,744	No the songahm forms were created in the United States. They were to be the first true TKD forms emphasising kicking as well as hand techniques. They were offered up and rejected by the Koreans. SO H.U. Lee started his own system. They are copywrited and defended so the only way to get them is to buy them, or be taught them by someone who knows them. Without being taught I doubt you would be able to learn the songahm forms. Especially at blackbelt level. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

08-22-2005, 10:15 AM	#14 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,744	There is a break away group that has access to the songahm forms. It is Martial arts research systems. They use a modified Songahm form called Miles. So there is another set for you to learn. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

08-23-2005, 02:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Andrew WA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA Posts: 254	If it wasnt accepted by the Koreans then I dont want to learn it. I only care to learn the old and traditional TKD forms that were accepted by any of the Korean federations from the original kwans. I will not ever try to learn "Joon Rhees Martial Arts Ballet" any anything else with a stupid name or made in another country or another school form. So if you can list the traditional forms that have been created by either WTF or ITF or any of the old old forms then let me know. I have a problem with the ITF forms because everytime I see a video of them the people totally suck and arnt even doing them right at all! I can tell because of an official book I have of the forms says otherwise. So why does nationaltkd.net ot whatever the website is for that place have such stupid people representing TKD? __________________ Zin-ji! Why are you so stupid?...If you hadn't let him escape...You will be executed now. Six months hard labor!

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